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Replacing field coil with choke
8/3/2010 7:44:36 AMBrian
I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
Thanks

8/3/2010 8:56:02 AMLewis
:I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
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8/3/2010 9:04:25 AMLewis
::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
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There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
Lewis


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8/3/2010 9:24:22 AMJohn
:::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
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Your output transformer for a 6F6 should have a turns ratio of 30:1 and the plate load resistance for a 6F6 should be 7,000 ohms.
John
: There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
: A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
: As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
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8/3/2010 10:21:37 AMBrian
Lewis,

Is this the site? http://www.radioremembered.org/outimp.htm


:::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
:::Thanks
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: There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
: A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
: As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
:Lewis
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8/3/2010 1:16:16 PMLewis
:Lewis,
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:Is this the site? http://www.radioremembered.org/outimp.htm
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::::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
::::Thanks
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:: There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
:: A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
:: As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
::Lewis
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8/3/2010 1:17:49 PMLewsi
::Lewis,
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::Is this the site? http://www.radioremembered.org/outimp.htm

Yes, indeeeedy! That should tell you everything you need to know about transfromer matching.....and then some.
Lewis


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:::::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
:::::Thanks
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::: There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
::: A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
::: As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
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8/3/2010 3:54:32 PMDoug Criner
Figure the current through the choke by adding up the maximum B+ current going through the speaker field coil.
8/4/2010 2:48:18 PMcodefox
This site maintains a "Tubes" reference tab which should point you in the right direction. Most often the 6K6 presents a load of 7,000 ohms, and the radio will play just fine with any output transformer with a nominal impedence between 5,000 to 10,000 ohms.

Without a schematic I'd reckon that a 1.0 K 10 watt resistor put somwhere where it could dissipate a little heat would work out fine. You might want to increase the value of the electrolytic capacitor after the choke circuit a little to overcome hum. If it was a 16 mf, replace with a 22 mf for example. In olden times, copper was cheap, electrolytics were expensive.

All other things being equal, you can't get in too much trouble here.

:Lewis,
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:Is this the site? http://www.radioremembered.org/outimp.htm
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::::I have a Canadian RCA model KL 53, a five-tube AC radio with a 6F6 as an output tube. The original speaker with field coil and output transformer is missing. Can someone advise me on the current rating of filter choke that I should use and also advice on an output transformer? From what I understand, I should pull a transformer from a radio with an output tube with a similar plate resistance?
::::Thanks
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:: There is, somewhere on this internet, a table telling the plate impedance of all popular output tubes, and from there you can find the primary impedance of the 6F6 output tube, and a transfommer to match it. I had it but lost it in the great crash of '00 (hard drive) Someone might know where it is.
:: A 6F6 is a bit of an oddball, no other tube has it's impedance, so the transformer will be harder to find than, say, a 6V6.
:: As for the choke, it doesn't have to be an exact match, a few Ohms one way or another will not make much difference. Some people replace the choke with a resistor of the same value, but I had rather replace coils with coils and resistors with resistors.
::Lewis
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8/5/2010 1:13:50 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Here's another interesting and different way to solve your field coil problem.

It is a very low cost, ( only $1.99 ) neat and simple but very effective circuit that you can use as a substitute for the old field coil.
I've built and used it and it and it works just perfectly!
Parts are cheap and fun to build.


Here's the whole article:
http://www.antiquewireless.org/otb/resto0504.htm

If you choose to use a 500k pot for R-102, be sure to include the 75k ohm resistor in series with it as mentioned in the last sentence of the article
You can build it small and hide it in a little spot or in a cardboard tube under the chassis.



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