Thanks - any suggestions are appreciated.
Just remove tube and circuit from T6. It's an oscillator to drive the light, B1.
Norm
:I'm considering cobbling together a guitar amp from an old Ampro projector amp and speaker. I want to consolidate the amp as much as possible and remove any unnecessary components... Some will be easy - others not. The photo cell and light source, motor switches, etc. aren't needed - but I am curious what else can go. There are two 6V6's in push-pull.... but a third 6V6 seems to be involved with the photo cell and light source - can it go? What else? Schematic is available here:
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:http://www.paulivester.com/films/projector/premier10sch.pdf
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:Thanks - any suggestions are appreciated.
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There are tons of schematics available for Fender and Similar guitar amps online. Tube manuals and other information is pretty easy to google. You shouldn't have to pay a penny for anything, as just about everything is in public domain, and there are many kind contributers out there.
Pick an easy one with the same kind of output topology. You will need 2 stages of amplification prior to the phase inverter, and you can just follow one of these amps circuits. The existing preamp stages would probably not be appropriate for guitar pickups. You can probably ues the pentodes in triode mode, if they are still good, and tweak the bias and plate resistors to come up with approximately the same gain as the circuit you have chosen to follow.
All capacitors including the electrolytics in the power supply should be replaced. Use a 3 wire (grounded) power supply cord for safety, and add a fuse (3 amps) if there is not one already.
The schematic is not clear enough for my tired eyes, but you should have enough tube sockets to get this going. I'd say there is about 20-25 hours of research and rework time involved,or more if you are just starting out with this kind of work, maybe $25 in parts if you don't have a "stash" so it has to be considered a labor of love. Try to figure out all the stuff you need so you can place one order with a supplier, and not get nickled and dimed by shipping and handling charges.
What you will end up with is about 10 watts before distortion, and depending on the quality of the speaker, you better not push it too hard.
IOW, you cannot make even minimum wage doing this work. A brand new solid state practice amp can be had for about $50.00.
But then again, nothing sounds like a tube amp, except another tube amp.
Go for it!
:I'm considering cobbling together a guitar amp from an old Ampro projector amp and speaker. I want to consolidate the amp as much as possible and remove any unnecessary components... Some will be easy - others not. The photo cell and light source, motor switches, etc. aren't needed - but I am curious what else can go. There are two 6V6's in push-pull.... but a third 6V6 seems to be involved with the photo cell and light source - can it go? What else? Schematic is available here:
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:http://www.paulivester.com/films/projector/premier10sch.pdf
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:Thanks - any suggestions are appreciated.
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" Why 'soitanly ! " . . . . myself, along with the incapable and incompetent help, from the Three Stooges, should easily be able to deconstruct that unit to such an utter ends total state of dissarray , that even 'ole Thomas Edison would no longer be able to conceive of its resultant end usage ! ( Great shades of Les Paul ! ) CIRCUITRY BREAKDOWN: Initially, lets evaluate the schematics circuitry layout . . . and BTW did ye have to lay out a bit of yer hard earned munny for that modern Pee Dee Eff of an old chicken scratch schematic . . . . oh well . . . its certainly better than nothing ! left. We are initially interested in the [Blue-Green] boxed in area: Then one makes a surgical extraction of the wiring connections at the inset [RED] X just to the right of C1 capacitor. I have then shown that circuitry positionally reset over to the right, where it still remains connected into the 1st grid of the first preamp tube in the unit. the [RED] X inset. in that upper area, possibly being down in the switching circuitry shown in the the [ Orange ] boxed area. ) All of the switching and wiring of the [ Orange ] box area is not needed.The one ground connection just mentioned is routed thru a switch contact and is going over to the centertap on the high voltage transformer. of the winding is then making a connection to ground as is shown down on the [ GREEN ] wiring inset to ground in that same area. driving the audio film strip illuminator lamp. filament, should common 50/60 cycle AC have been used as the filament supply source. of blackening of the internal glass envelope. connection at the bottom. the schematic. In the dropping of the [MUSTARD] circuitry you have now acquired the now unused C15 and the internal C19 of the power osc circuitry. C12 up at the top of the schematic. Replace them or otherwise confirm ZEEEE-R-OOOO DC leakage is present thru them. to a venerable old Fender-bender Stratocaster as its playing input source. . . . . .hmmmmm . . . or maybe, possibly a vintage old eddie Ricketybacker, hollow body, might also suffice. Also, with only that single pentode up front, it will only be adequate for strumming, to get in some HOT LICKS, will require a series plug in frontal stomp box /fuzz master/whang-dang-do/echo master/pre amp . . . or you can merely "GOGGGGGLE" . . . geetar amplifier schematics . . . and peruse over those 'lebenteen kazillion possibilities and select a frontal preamp circuit to replicate and then build it into this unit. ( within all of that empty chassis real estate that you had previously created.) You can remove the third 6v6 and everything connected to it, and plan on re-doing everything before the phase inverter. Good, you will now have a spare. There are tons of schematics available for Fender and Similar guitar amps online. Tube manuals and other information is pretty easy to google. You shouldn't have to pay a penny for anything, as just about everything is in public domain, and there are many kind contributers out there. Pick an easy one with the same kind of output topology. You will need 2 stages of amplification prior to the phase inverter, and you can just follow one of these amps circuits. The existing preamp stages would probably not be appropriate for guitar pickups. You can probably ues the pentodes in triode mode, if they are still good, and tweak the bias and plate resistors to come up with approximately the same gain as the circuit you have chosen to follow. All capacitors including the electrolytics in the power supply should be replaced. Use a 3 wire (grounded) power supply cord for safety, and add a fuse (3 amps) if there is not one already. The schematic is not clear enough for my tired eyes, but you should have enough tube sockets to get this going. I'd say there is about 20-25 hours of research and rework time involved,or more if you are just starting out with this kind of work, maybe $25 in parts if you don't have a "stash" so it has to be considered a labor of love. Try to figure out all the stuff you need so you can place one order with a supplier, and not get nickled and dimed by shipping and handling charges. What you will end up with is about 10 watts before distortion, and depending on the quality of the speaker, you better not push it too hard. IOW, you cannot make even minimum wage doing this work. A brand new solid state practice amp can be had for about $50.00. But then again, nothing sounds like a tube amp, except another tube amp. Go for it! |
( Great shades of Les Paul ! ) Initially, lets evaluate the schematics circuitry layout . . . and BTW . . . did ye have to lay out a bit of yer hard earned munny for that modern Pee Dee Eff of an old chicken scratch schematic . . . . oh well . . . its certainly better than nothing ! We are initially interested in the [Blue-Green] boxed in area: All of the photocell prebiasing adjustment circuitry is no longer needed. Cut the circuitry free from the B+ at the [RED] X inset. All of the switching and wiring of the [ Orange ] box area is not needed.The one ground connection just mentioned is routed thru a switch contact and is going over to the centertap on the high voltage transformer. In the dropping of the [MUSTARD] boxed circuitry, you have now acquired the now unused C15 and the internal C19 of the power osc circuitry. (Double [ RED ] line boxed.) Also, with only that single pentode up front, it will only be adequate for strumming, in order to getin some real HOT LICKS, will require a series plug in frontal stomp box /fuzz master/whang-dang-do/echo master/pre amp. |
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You can remove the third 6v6 and everything connected to it, and plan on re-doing everything before the phase inverter. Good, you will now have a spare. There are tons of schematics available for Fender and Similar guitar amps online. Tube manuals and other information is pretty easy to google. You shouldn't have to pay a penny for anything, as just about everything is in public domain, and there are many kind contributers out there. Pick an easy one with the same kind of output topology. You will need 2 stages of amplification prior to the phase inverter, and you can just follow one of these amps circuits. The existing preamp stages would probably not be appropriate for guitar pickups. You can probably ues the pentodes in triode mode, if they are still good, and tweak the bias and plate resistors to come up with approximately the same gain as the circuit you have chosen to follow. All capacitors including the electrolytics in the power supply should be replaced. Use a 3 wire (grounded) power supply cord for safety, and add a fuse (3 amps) if there is not one already. The schematic is not clear enough for my tired eyes, but you should have enough tube sockets to get this going. I'd say there is about 20-25 hours of research and rework time involved,or more if you are just starting out with this kind of work, maybe $25 in parts if you don't have a "stash" so it has to be considered a labor of love. Try to figure out all the stuff you need so you can place one order with a supplier, and not get nickled and dimed by shipping and handling charges. What you will end up with is about 10 watts before distortion, and depending on the quality of the speaker, you better not push it too hard. IOW, you cannot make even minimum wage doing this work. A brand new solid state practice amp can be had for about $50.00. But then again, nothing sounds like a tube amp, except another tube amp. Go for it!
I'm considering cobbling together a guitar amp from an old Ampro projector amp and speaker. I want to consolidate the amp as much as possible and remove any unnecessary components... Some will be easy - others not. The photo cell and light source, motor switches, etc. aren't needed - but I am curious what else can go. There are two 6V6's in push-pull.... but a third 6V6 seems to be involved with the photo cell and light source - can it go? What else? Schematic is available here: