I have what I believe to be a Bosch Amborola Model 16 that was once my grandfathers. It used to sit on his bedroom dresser and I remember it being there ever since I was little. When he passed, it was given to me. As I know very little about antique radios, I am looking for some help on how to get it running. I do have somewhat of a technical background, but am certainly not a radio repairman.
I understand from some research that this is a battery powered model. Can I assume that I could use a regulated DC power supply to power up the radio? If so, what is the correct voltage/amperage of the power supply?
One of the 6 tubes is missing. It is the one on the far right as viewed from the top of the unit (facing the front). As I cannot find any literature that actually calls out what each tube number is, I have no way to tell what tube is needed to replace the missing one. Does anyone have a list of the tube numbers that are needed to make the unit work properly?
Lastly, I am assuming that the unit requires an external speaker, which I do not have. What would be an era appropriate speaker that would have gone with this unit back in the 1920's or 30's?
Thank you very much for anyone's assistance.
Regards,
Mike B.
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/Resources/763/M0040763.htm
As you can see, it is going to need more than just one single voltage supply.
Thank you for the link. I did find this schematic but was unclear on what the actual tube numbers were. If I am not mistaken, there is a small "box" that shows what I thought were the tubes on this model. They numbers are: 3AF, 2AF, 1RF, 2RF, DET & 1AF. Are these the actual tube numbers that I would need, particularly the missing one, 1AF?
Also, when you state that I will need more than a single power supply, what exactly do you mean?
Sorry if I sound ignorant...
Thank you.
Mike B
http://www.nj7p.org/Tube4.php?tube=01a
The power supply, has voltages for the tube filaments (A)
Then there are other voltages for the B+ and grid bias supply.
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:NICE! Thank you! I am on a mission to get some tubes now. Thank you very much for the help!
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:George. It would be cool of you, to send him pictures and a schematic drawing of your power supply. He's going to need to make one.
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I have everything hooked up and got the tubes to light up. What voltages do your yellow and yellow/black wire get??? That's the only thing I can't figure out. Thank you for the help!
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Le Schematique:
American Bosch Model 16 The "Ambrola":
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::I have everything hooked up and got the tubes to light up. What voltages do your yellow and yellow/black wire get??? That's the only thing I can't figure out. Thank you for the help!
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Thank you. The colors are in really good shape so I am positive of their appearance.
Question: I took the radio out of the wood box and underneath on the terminal strip it looks like there are two wires missing. If I am reading the schematic correclty, this would be where the white and salmon wires go...
Also, all tubes light up except tube 1AF... Are the wires just possibly missing?
Everything appears to be working the way it should but I can't get any sound out of the speaker.
Thank you.
:George,
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:I have everything hooked up and got the tubes to light up. What voltages do your yellow and yellow/black wire get??? That's the only thing I can't figure out. Thank you for the help!
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Thanks George!
:I just put a new harness on mine as well. The wires were really brittle. I just don't know what to do with the yellow and yellow/black wires. Everything else is hooked up now and I have sound. There doesn't seem to be any volume control though. There are three pots on the board but I don't know what each one does... Is this a fixed volume unit?
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:Thanks George!
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:Give me 30 mnts and check back here will give you info
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::I just put a new harness on mine as well. The wires were really brittle. I just don't know what to do with the yellow and yellow/black wires. Everything else is hooked up now and I have sound. There doesn't seem to be any volume control though. There are three pots on the board but I don't know what each one does... Is this a fixed volume unit?
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It is obviously beyond me... I tried hooking it up the way that David with ARBE III told me and I was able to get a local station yesterday loud and clear but really didn't have any control over the volume.
Today I tried to wire it the way you said in your email and it still works but now one of the tubes is not lighting. I switched it out with 4 other working tubes and it still doesn't light up and all I get is static.
I don't think that the wiring is the issue now. Now I think there is something wrong with the tube... Looking at the top of the unit with the knobs facing you, it would be tube #5 working from left to right.
All the other tubes light up but all I get is a hum...
I guess what I need to do now is ask the forum if there is an expert out there that would like to work on this unit for me and restore it to working order.
Being new to the forum, is there anyone out there that I could ship this to that knows the Bosch models really well?
Thank you.
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First of all, I was amazed that the color codings on ye ode wire were still distinguishable.
ALSO, I think that you might additonally be having trouble associating the tube designations on the schematic,to their physical locations on the chassis proper, so those yellow boxes at the top should now eliminate any ambiguity between tubes of the same type. |
American BOSCH 16 Schematic Markup: ![]() |
:George,
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:It is obviously beyond me... I tried hooking it up the way that David with ARBE III told me and I was able to get a local station yesterday loud and clear but really didn't have any control over the volume.
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:Today I tried to wire it the way you said in your email and it still works but now one of the tubes is not lighting. I switched it out with 4 other working tubes and it still doesn't light up and all I get is static.
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:I don't think that the wiring is the issue now. Now I think there is something wrong with the tube... Looking at the top of the unit with the knobs facing you, it would be tube #5 working from left to right.
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:All the other tubes light up but all I get is a hum...
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:I guess what I need to do now is ask the forum if there is an expert out there that would like to work on this unit for me and restore it to working order.
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:Being new to the forum, is there anyone out there that I could ship this to that knows the Bosch models really well?
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:Thank you.
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Initially, I was amazed that the color codings on ye ode wire were still distinguishable. Now, with your last two errant wires colors given, that seems that the two that are needing to be going to the C-minus supply. A . . . . . I was able to get a local station yesterday loud and clear but really didn't have any control over the volume. Now lets see the degree of applicability of this info to your situaton. I made a further blow up of the schematic to accomodate definition of wire color highlighting, to differentiate between ALSO, I think that you might additonally be having trouble associating the tube designations on the schematic,to their physical locations on the chassis proper, so those yellow boxes at the top should now eliminate any ambiguity between tubes of the same type. A good antenna / aerial suggestion is to pull out a 50- 100 ' extension cord and string w--a--y-- ---o--u--t, making interfacing connection to the male pin(s). Now trace it to its far right and then notice that in coming back , that it sequentially goes upwards to feed one filament wire of each tube starting with the 2AF, 1AF, DET, and then stops at the 2RF. I purposefuly left the perspective of the A minus of the filament buss until now, as you will see, it also routed between the OTHER filament connections of each of ALL of the tube complement, with the exception of the final 3 AF tube where you will see a filament voltage control [ C ] in series, before it reaches the tubes filament connecton. Nowwwww, back to the other aspect of volume control, utilizing less RF voltage being presented to the detector stage, via the overall gain of the 2 frontal RF amplifiers. Now, direct your attention to the AA, B and BB controls located down under under the RF stages. Take note of the [RED-GREEN] zebra path mark up that is highlighting a connection from the A-Fil Buss down to resistor J and then to the parallel set of pots, A and B and the final completion of the loop to the A+ Fil Buss. Then you have the BB control which is located between the A and B controls rotors. BB would be a vernier adjustment of the voltage that is acquired from that voltage divider combo and is then being fed off from its rotor, up to the 1st grids of the 1 RF and 2 RF amps to control their gains. Perchance are A and B ganged together, if not, the interjuxtopositioning of the three controls could give some fierce output control capabilities. BUT, in consulting the chart below, expect the range to be within the 2-4 V range. Awaiting feed back . . . if necessary . . . plus an answer on the pots info query. |
![]() Sir Mike Beeee. . . . . Oh behold ye of little faith . . . . .Don't you " recognize" how VERY close you are to having completed your goal ? Initially, I was amazed that the color codings on ye ode wire were still distinguishable. Now, with your last two errant wires colors given, that seems that the two that are needing to be going to the C-minus supply. A . . . . . I was able to get a local station yesterday loud and clear but really didn't have any control over the volume. Now lets see the degree of applicability of this info to your situaton. I made a further blow up of the schematic to accomodate definition of wire color highlighting, to differentiate between ALSO, I think that you might additonally be having trouble associating the tube designations on the schematic,to their physical locations on the chassis proper, so those yellow boxes at the top should now eliminate any ambiguity between tubes of the same type. A good antenna / aerial suggestion is to pull out a 50- 100 ' extension cord and string w--a--y-- ---o--u--t, making interfacing connection to the male pin(s). Now trace it to its far right and then notice that in coming back , that it sequentially goes upwards to feed one filament wire of each tube starting with the 2AF, 1AF, DET, and then stops at the 2RF. I purposefuly left the perspective of the A minus of the filament buss until now, as you will see, it also routed between the OTHER filament connections of each of ALL of the tube complement, with the exception of the final 3 AF tube where you will see a filament voltage control [ C ] in series, before it reaches the tubes filament connecton. Nowwwww, back to the other aspect of volume control, utilizing less RF voltage being presented to the detector stage, via the overall gain of the 2 frontal RF amplifiers. Now, direct your attention to the AA, B and BB controls located down under under the RF stages. Take note of the [RED-GREEN] zebra path mark up that is highlighting a connection from the A-Fil Buss down to resistor J and then to the parallel set of pots, A and B and the final completion of the loop to the A+ Fil Buss. Then you have the BB control which is located between the A and B controls rotors. BB would be a vernier adjustment of the voltage that is acquired from that voltage divider combo and is then being fed off from its rotor, up to the 1st grids of the 1 RF and 2 RF amps to control their gains. Perchance are A and B ganged together, if not, the interjuxtopositioning of the three controls could give some fierce output control capabilities. BUT, in consulting the chart below, expect the range to be within the 2-4 V range. Awaiting feed back . . . if necessary . . . plus an answer on the pots info query. |
American BOSCH 16 Schematic Marked - Waaay-Up: ![]() |
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![]() Sir Mike Beeee. . . . . Oh behold ye of little faith . . . . .Don't you " recognize" how VERY close you are to having completed your goal ? Initially, I was amazed that the color codings on ye ode wire were still distinguishable. Now, with your last two errant wires colors given, that seems that the two that are needing to be going to the C-minus supply. A . . . . . I was able to get a local station yesterday loud and clear but really didn't have any control over the volume. Now lets see the degree of applicability of this info to your situaton. I made a further blow up of the schematic to accomodate definition of wire color highlighting, to differentiate between ALSO, I think that you might additonally be having trouble associating the tube designations on the schematic,to their physical locations on the chassis proper, so those yellow boxes at the top should now eliminate any ambiguity between tubes of the same type. A good antenna / aerial suggestion is to pull out a 50- 100 ' extension cord and string w--a--y-- ---o--u--t, making interfacing connection to the male pin(s). Now trace it to its far right and then notice that in coming back , that it sequentially goes upwards to feed one filament wire of each tube starting with the 2AF, 1AF, DET, and then stops at the 2RF. I purposefuly left the perspective of the A minus of the filament buss until now, as you will see, it also routed between the OTHER filament connections of each of ALL of the tube complement, with the exception of the final 3 AF tube where you will see a filament voltage control [ C ] in series, before it reaches the tubes filament connecton. Nowwwww, back to the other aspect of volume control, utilizing less RF voltage being presented to the detector stage, via the overall gain of the 2 frontal RF amplifiers. Now, direct your attention to the AA, B and BB controls located down under under the RF stages. Take note of the [RED-GREEN] zebra path mark up that is highlighting a connection from the A-Fil Buss down to resistor J and then to the parallel set of pots, A and B and the final completion of the loop to the A+ Fil Buss. Then you have the BB control which is located between the A and B controls rotors. BB would be a vernier adjustment of the voltage that is acquired from that voltage divider combo and is then being fed off from its rotor, up to the 1st grids of the 1 RF and 2 RF amps to control their gains. Perchance are A and B ganged together, if not, the interjuxtopositioning of the three controls could give some fierce output control capabilities. BUT, in consulting the chart below, expect the range to be within the 2-4 V range. Awaiting feed back . . . if necessary . . . plus an answer on the pots info query. |
American BOSCH 16 Schematic Marked - Waaay-Up: ![]() |
Thank you so much for pulling down the radio...
Here are the actual wiring connections on my Bosch, working in the same orientation as you (knobs away, right to left).
Pin 1: Blue
Pin 2: Yellow/Black
Pin 3: Red
Pin 4: Jumpered to Pin 3
Pin 5: Jumpered to Pin 6
Pin 6: Black
Pin 7: Brown
Pin 8: Green
Pin 9: Yellow
Dave Snow with ARBE III told me to hook it up as follows:
Pin 1: Blue (+45)
Pin 2: Yellow/Black (Don't Know)
Pin 3: Red (A+)
Pin 4: No Wire (Don't Know)
Pin 5: No Wire (Don't Know)
Pin 6: Black (A-)
Pin 7: Brown (+90)
Pin 8: Green (+135)
Pin 9: Yellow (Don't Know)
Additionally he said to jumper Red (A+) to (B-) and jumper (A-) to (C+) on the ARBEIII.
Do you have a Salmon or White wire on your chasis?
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:Thank you so much for pulling down the radio...
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:Here are the actual wiring connections on my Bosch, working in the same orientation as you (knobs away, right to left).
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:Pin 1: Blue
:Pin 2: Yellow/Black
:Pin 3: Red
:Pin 4: Jumpered to Pin 3
:Pin 5: Jumpered to Pin 6
:Pin 6: Black
:Pin 7: Brown
:Pin 8: Green
:Pin 9: Yellow
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:Dave Snow with ARBE III told me to hook it up as follows:
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:Pin 1: Blue (+45)
:Pin 2: Yellow/Black (Don't Know)
:Pin 3: Red (A+)
:Pin 4: No Wire (Don't Know)
:Pin 5: No Wire (Don't Know)
:Pin 6: Black (A-)
:Pin 7: Brown (+90)
:Pin 8: Green (+135)
:Pin 9: Yellow (Don't Know)
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:Additionally he said to jumper Red (A+) to (B-) and jumper (A-) to (C+) on the ARBEIII.
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:Do you have a Salmon or White wire on your chasis?
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I am incredibly thankful for all your help!
I wired up the unit the way you said to and I did some testing on the one tube that was not lighing up. The tube was good. The resistor was bad. I went down to the local electronics store and got a 1.8 Ohm, 2W resistor and inserted it where the old one was. The radio works great!!!!!!
I am able to control the volume of the unit by using the Antenna knob, going from 0 to 3 increases the volume.
I also wanted to clarify the wiring connections that I initially gave you and double check with you that I have done it correctly.
There are a series of 9 solder terminals on the radio chassis where the wires are connected. With the set upside down and the knobs facing away from me and working from left to right, the wire colors on the corresponding pins are as follows:
Pin 1: Yellow
Pin 2: Green
Pin 3: Brown
Pin 4: Black
Pin 5: No Wire But is jumpered to Pin 4 on the radio.
Pin 6: No Wire But is jumpered to Pin 7 on the radio.
Pin 7: Red
Pin 8: Yellow/Black
Pin 9: Blue
My current hook up to the ARBE III is as follows:
Pin 1: Yellow: -9
Pin 2: Green: 135
Pin 3: Brown: 90
Pin 4: Black: A-
Pin 5: No Physical Connection to ARBE III but is connected to Pin 4: (Black) inside the radio.
Pin 6: No Physical Connection to ARBE III but is connected to Pin 7: (Red) inside the radio.
Pin 7: Red: A+
Pin 8: Yellow/Black: C+ jumpered to A- on the ARBE III.
Pin 9: Blue: 45.
Thanks again Ed!
One more question Sir... I am finding now that after replacing two of the older resistors with new ones, the radio seems to be working better and better. Do you think I should I replace all of them? I feel on one hand that it ruins the antique aspect of the radio if I do, but like I said, after having done two, the quality of the reception has gotten substantially better...
Thank you for your advice.