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How to adapt a modern speaker to fit in a Westinghouse "Refrigerator" chassis
5/22/2009 2:29:38 PMDave Froehlich
Hello All,
I'm working on a Westinghouse Refrigerator radio (H126?), and someone had already replaced the speaker. But it was one with a box around the magnet that could be drilled and tapped. A modern speaker has a tiny magnet on the back. I am having a difficult time finding a speaker that will work. I cannot drill any new holes in the chassis. The old speaker has an uncentered cone that rubs and makes noise. So I cannot use it. Please help if you can.

Thanks,

Dave

5/22/2009 2:49:03 PMWarren
I really like those Westinghouse radios. I have never had one though. What size speaker does it use? I have a line here on some brand new Sony speakers That come in the size of 4,5, and 6 inch. 6 ohm for only $3.00 They are of very good quality. The magnet is round but not very big. If you like I could send you a picture of one in 5 inch. See if that is what you are looking for. My E-Mail is in this posting.
5/22/2009 4:00:15 PMDave Froehlich
Warren,
I do not need a new speaker. I have a new speaker. I need to adapt the new speaker to the chassis.

Thanks,

Dave
:I really like those Westinghouse radios. I have never had one though. What size speaker does it use? I have a line here on some brand new Sony speakers That come in the size of 4,5, and 6 inch. 6 ohm for only $3.00 They are of very good quality. The magnet is round but not very big. If you like I could send you a picture of one in 5 inch. See if that is what you are looking for. My E-Mail is in this posting.

5/22/2009 4:21:00 PMWarren
Oh .. Okay .. Guess you just need to be inventive. Maybe the use of a cut coffee can for a mounting, solder to speaker frame. I have done that for like mounting an output transformer. Easy to make to shape and put the holes where needed ..
5/22/2009 8:16:19 PMNorm Leal
Dave

Don't know what you are up against but epoxy will hold a speaker in place.

Norm

:Oh .. Okay .. Guess you just need to be inventive. Maybe the use of a cut coffee can for a mounting, solder to speaker frame. I have done that for like mounting an output transformer. Easy to make to shape and put the holes where needed ..

5/22/2009 8:18:03 PMEdd











Once had an RCA in the same situation, I merely concentrated on the initial making of a hole in a piece of oak
to fit to the rear round magnet assembly on my new 5 inch speaker., then temp tacked it in place with hot
glue and then concentrated on the marking on and drawing the required square profile on the block of wood.
I then replicated the original units square magnet housing dimensions with multiple saw cuts. I then dry fitted
to the chassis and then pulled the unit from the hot glue bonding and then re-epoxied into the cavity.


A final locating of the mount holes completed the job. And , in actuality, the precise locating and positioning of
those two mounting holes took me the most time.
Worked out fine, I even used #1405 Krylon Dull Aluminum spray paint to make the wood look like the original
metal.






73's de Edd







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5/23/2009 8:54:01 AMDave Froehlich
Edd,
Thanks for the information. One of my friends says that he has a speaker that may work. If it doesn't, I'll make the "simulated" metal (actually wood painted aluminum color) box to go over the magnet. Your solution is always the best.

Thanks,

Dave
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5/26/2009 2:10:51 PMDave Froehlich
Norm,
If I decide to use the wooden block idea, then I will need epoxy to hold the magnet in the block. So, yes, epoxy will work. I'm probably not good enough mechanically to make the box out of epoxy.


Thanks,

Dave
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::Oh .. Okay .. Guess you just need to be inventive. Maybe the use of a cut coffee can for a mounting, solder to speaker frame. I have done that for like mounting an output transformer. Easy to make to shape and put the holes where needed ..

5/22/2009 11:53:37 PMZ-
The old speaker has an uncentered cone that rubs and makes noise. So I cannot use it. Please help if you can.
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:Dave

That is an easy fix. Why not concentrate on fixing the original speaker?

Syl

5/26/2009 2:14:16 PMDave Froehlich
Z,
I don't have the original speaker. The speaker that doesn't work is a replacement with a metal case around the magnet.
How do I go about re-centering the voice coil in a 4" speaker? I have tried but I have never been successful. It's difficult to unstick the edge of the cone from the frame without tearing the cone.


Thanks,

Dave
: The old speaker has an uncentered cone that rubs and makes noise. So I cannot use it. Please help if you can.
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:That is an easy fix. Why not concentrate on fixing the original speaker?
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:Syl

5/27/2009 12:12:43 PMZ-
Z, : I don't have the original speaker. The speaker that doesn't work is a replacement with a metal case around the magnet.

Oh, that explains the effort to find a substitute instead of fixing the existing speaker. I missed that in your original post.

How do I go about re-centering the voice coil in a 4" speaker? I have tried but I have never been successful. It's difficult to unstick the edge of the cone from the frame without tearing the cone.

There are at least three different techniques I've used and all work, depending of the source of the problem. A rubbing voice coil can be caused by:

* Warped cone

* Remove the voice coil cap (usually felt) and find where the vc rubs. Wet the cone, from vc to surround portion opposite to the rubbing. Use your fingers, gently, to massage the speaker cone while wet to slightly expand the paper or deform the cone (it shouldn't be visible). Use three small shims of cardstock (1/2" wide, 4" long) and wedge these (equidistant) in the gap to keep the vc centered. Let dry, remove the shims and it should be good.

* Off center vc caused by a bent basket
If the basket has been damaged (dropped), a visual inspection will show where the hit occured

* and can be bent back to shape. Twisting the basket from different angle while feeding audio to
the speaker will prove that. I use a small 3VAC transformer (or 6,3V with an 10 Ohms resistor
in series) to feed low frequency to the speaker for testing purpose. The low 60hz frequency helps
finding the cause of rubbing pretty quickly.

* Off center vc caused by a shifted cone OR spider.

* Using acetone (lacquer thinner may also work) and wetting either the surround OR the spider until
the glue softens. Insert shims as explained in (1.)then let dry.

Hope this helps,
Syl

5/27/2009 2:29:46 PMBob Masse
:Z, : I don't have the original speaker. The speaker that doesn't work is a replacement with a metal case around the magnet.
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:Oh, that explains the effort to find a substitute instead of fixing the existing speaker. I missed that in your original post.
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: How do I go about re-centering the voice coil in a 4" speaker? I have tried but I have never been successful. It's difficult to unstick the edge of the cone from the frame without tearing the cone.
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:There are at least three different techniques I've used and all work, depending of the source of the problem. A rubbing voice coil can be caused by:
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: * Warped cone
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: * Remove the voice coil cap (usually felt) and find where the vc rubs. Wet the cone, from vc to surround portion opposite to the rubbing. Use your fingers, gently, to massage the speaker cone while wet to slightly expand the paper or deform the cone (it shouldn't be visible). Use three small shims of cardstock (1/2" wide, 4" long) and wedge these (equidistant) in the gap to keep the vc centered. Let dry, remove the shims and it should be good.
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: * Off center vc caused by a bent basket
: If the basket has been damaged (dropped), a visual inspection will show where the hit occured
:
: * and can be bent back to shape. Twisting the basket from different angle while feeding audio to
: the speaker will prove that. I use a small 3VAC transformer (or 6,3V with an 10 Ohms resistor
: in series) to feed low frequency to the speaker for testing purpose. The low 60hz frequency helps
: finding the cause of rubbing pretty quickly.
:
: * Off center vc caused by a shifted cone OR spider.
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: * Using acetone (lacquer thinner may also work) and wetting either the surround OR the spider until
: the glue softens. Insert shims as explained in (1.)then let dry.
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:Hope this helps,
:Syl
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: Syl , that is one of the best explanations of speaker repair I've seen as a beginner. Do you know of any tutorial that is available?One with pictures would be great. Thanks for the info you've provided. Bob Masse
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5/27/2009 7:06:09 PMZ-
Syl , that is one of the best explanations of speaker repair I've seen as a beginner. Do you know of any tutorial that is available?One with pictures would be great. Thanks for the info you've provided. Bob Masse

Thanks for the kind words Bob.

I do not know of any online how-to with pictures. I suspect there may be a few about replacing a complete cone but none I know about fixing them.

I posted an easy how-to on the Philco Phorum about fixing tears on speaker cones without using patches. I wish I had more time to devote to the hobby now.

Syl

5/27/2009 8:23:15 PMBob Masse
:Syl , that is one of the best explanations of speaker repair I've seen as a beginner. Do you know of any tutorial that is available?One with pictures would be great. Thanks for the info you've provided. Bob Masse
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:Thanks for the kind words Bob.
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:I do not know of any online how-to with pictures. I suspect there may be a few about replacing a complete cone but none I know about fixing them.
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:I posted an easy how-to on the Philco Phorum about fixing tears on speaker cones without using patches. I wish I had more time to devote to the hobby now.
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: Syl, I checked out your video postings at the Philco Phorum.That is exactly what I'm talking about.I would never have been that brave with a speaker cone without seeing the video first.Now I can repair at least 4 speakers that I would thrown out.Thanks Bob Masse


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