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3/28/2009 9:23:35 AMJeffy
Hi, I have now all I need to realigned tubes radios. I have a audio generator (Eico 377), a more modern function generator (IEC F55), oscilloscopes, multimeters.

1) When (for example) I read "inject 19kc to..." I need to inject a sinus waveform? What is the voltage of this waveform? I need to ajust a FM multiplexer...

2) What I am suppose to see at the scope when I need to adjust for maximum deflection? for minimum deflection? The scope is set for a normal operation?

Thank you!

3/28/2009 11:06:07 AMLewis L
:Hi, I have now all I need to realigned tubes radios. I have a audio generator (Eico 377), a more modern function generator (IEC F55), oscilloscopes, multimeters.
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:1) When (for example) I read "inject 19kc to..." I need to inject a sinus waveform? What is the voltage of this waveform? I need to ajust a FM multiplexer...
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:2) What I am suppose to see at the scope when I need to adjust for maximum deflection? for minimum deflection? The scope is set for a normal operation?
:
:Thank you!


I have never aligned a mux part of a receiver, so I can't be much help, but, here's what I know. The 19 kHz. would be a sine wave. The station sends it out at 10% modulation on the main carrier. The main channel has both the right and left channels mixed in phase (L+R), and put out as a monophonic FM signal, just like always. The phase of the right channel is then inverted, (L-R) and double sideband modulated on a 38 kHz. sub carrier.

Since there is no carrier in DSB modulation, The station also inserts a pilot of 19 kHz, at 10% modulation. The station can also put elevator music on a AM sub carrier at 64 kH. The 19 kHz. is detected, and turns on the decoding circuits (and the stereo indicator light).

The 19kHz. is doubled to 38 kHz., and this is inserted into the subcarrier demodulator as the carrier. The decoding circuits demodulate the subcarrier to retrieve the (L-R) signal and add (mix)and subtract (invert the phase and mix) that signal from the main channel (L+R). So, (L+R)+(L-R)=2L, and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, and you have your stereo back. (L-R) equals the stuff that is not stereo, while (L+R) is the monophonic component of the stereo, so you get both channels on a mono receiver.

The tricky part is that the 38 kHz has to be almost exactly in phase with the 38 kHz. that the station inserted in the transmitter)of coure,inserting a carrier at 90 drgrees out of phase would result in no demodulation, so you could actually put two subcarriers 90 degrees out of phase, and have three signals on one main carrier, but I don't wabt to talk about color TV on a radio forum. You would have to have 40% modulation an the main and sub channels, 10% on the pilot and the last 10% for your background music, which is on a 64 kHz. subcarrier, which requires an AM detector.

As to the scope, what you see on the scope will depend on where the sccope is connected. Maximum and minimum deflection means biggest and smallest peak-to-peak sine wave Voltage.

I hope this helps.
Lewis

3/28/2009 11:58:03 AMJeffy
::Hi, I have now all I need to realigned tubes radios. I have a audio generator (Eico 377), a more modern function generator (IEC F55), oscilloscopes, multimeters.
::
::1) When (for example) I read "inject 19kc to..." I need to inject a sinus waveform? What is the voltage of this waveform? I need to ajust a FM multiplexer...
::
::2) What I am suppose to see at the scope when I need to adjust for maximum deflection? for minimum deflection? The scope is set for a normal operation?
::
::Thank you!
:
:
: I have never aligned a mux part of a receiver, so I can't be much help, but, here's what I know. The 19 kHz. would be a sine wave. The station sends it out at 10% modulation on the main carrier. The main channel has both the right and left channels mixed in phase (L+R), and put out as a monophonic FM signal, just like always. The phase of the right channel is then inverted, (L-R) and double sideband modulated on a 38 kHz. sub carrier.
:
: Since there is no carrier in DSB modulation, The station also inserts a pilot of 19 kHz, at 10% modulation. The station can also put elevator music on a AM sub carrier at 64 kH. The 19 kHz. is detected, and turns on the decoding circuits (and the stereo indicator light).
:
: The 19kHz. is doubled to 38 kHz., and this is inserted into the subcarrier demodulator as the carrier. The decoding circuits demodulate the subcarrier to retrieve the (L-R) signal and add (mix)and subtract (invert the phase and mix) that signal from the main channel (L+R). So, (L+R)+(L-R)=2L, and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, and you have your stereo back. (L-R) equals the stuff that is not stereo, while (L+R) is the monophonic component of the stereo, so you get both channels on a mono receiver.
:
: The tricky part is that the 38 kHz has to be almost exactly in phase with the 38 kHz. that the station inserted in the transmitter)of coure,inserting a carrier at 90 drgrees out of phase would result in no demodulation, so you could actually put two subcarriers 90 degrees out of phase, and have three signals on one main carrier, but I don't wabt to talk about color TV on a radio forum. You would have to have 40% modulation an the main and sub channels, 10% on the pilot and the last 10% for your background music, which is on a 64 kHz. subcarrier, which requires an AM detector.
:
:As to the scope, what you see on the scope will depend on where the sccope is connected. Maximum and minimum deflection means biggest and smallest peak-to-peak sine wave Voltage.
:
:I hope this helps.
:Lewis

Hi Lewis,

Thanks for the explanation. But I have another question. I don't want to overload the circuit. So I don't know what will be a safe voltage for the sinewave...

Thanks.

3/28/2009 2:12:33 PMLewis L
:::Hi, I have now all I need to realigned tubes radios. I have a audio generator (Eico 377), a more modern function generator (IEC F55), oscilloscopes, multimeters.
:::
:::1) When (for example) I read "inject 19kc to..." I need to inject a sinus waveform? What is the voltage of this waveform? I need to ajust a FM multiplexer...
:::
:::2) What I am suppose to see at the scope when I need to adjust for maximum deflection? for minimum deflection? The scope is set for a normal operation?
:::
:::Thank you!
::
::
:: I have never aligned a mux part of a receiver, so I can't be much help, but, here's what I know. The 19 kHz. would be a sine wave. The station sends it out at 10% modulation on the main carrier. The main channel has both the right and left channels mixed in phase (L+R), and put out as a monophonic FM signal, just like always. The phase of the right channel is then inverted, (L-R) and double sideband modulated on a 38 kHz. sub carrier.
::
:: Since there is no carrier in DSB modulation, The station also inserts a pilot of 19 kHz, at 10% modulation. The station can also put elevator music on a AM sub carrier at 64 kH. The 19 kHz. is detected, and turns on the decoding circuits (and the stereo indicator light).
::
:: The 19kHz. is doubled to 38 kHz., and this is inserted into the subcarrier demodulator as the carrier. The decoding circuits demodulate the subcarrier to retrieve the (L-R) signal and add (mix)and subtract (invert the phase and mix) that signal from the main channel (L+R). So, (L+R)+(L-R)=2L, and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, and you have your stereo back. (L-R) equals the stuff that is not stereo, while (L+R) is the monophonic component of the stereo, so you get both channels on a mono receiver.
::
:: The tricky part is that the 38 kHz has to be almost exactly in phase with the 38 kHz. that the station inserted in the transmitter)of coure,inserting a carrier at 90 drgrees out of phase would result in no demodulation, so you could actually put two subcarriers 90 degrees out of phase, and have three signals on one main carrier, but I don't wabt to talk about color TV on a radio forum. You would have to have 40% modulation an the main and sub channels, 10% on the pilot and the last 10% for your background music, which is on a 64 kHz. subcarrier, which requires an AM detector.
::
::As to the scope, what you see on the scope will depend on where the sccope is connected. Maximum and minimum deflection means biggest and smallest peak-to-peak sine wave Voltage.
::
::I hope this helps.
::Lewis
:
:Hi Lewis,
:
:Thanks for the explanation. But I have another question. I don't want to overload the circuit. So I don't know what will be a safe voltage for the sinewave...
:
:Thanks.
3/28/2009 2:23:34 PMLewis L
::::Hi, I have now all I need to realigned tubes radios. I have a audio generator (Eico 377), a more modern function generator (IEC F55), oscilloscopes, multimeters.
::::
::::1) When (for example) I read "inject 19kc to..." I need to inject a sinus waveform? What is the voltage of this waveform? I need to ajust a FM multiplexer...
::::
::::2) What I am suppose to see at the scope when I need to adjust for maximum deflection? for minimum deflection? The scope is set for a normal operation?
::::
::::Thank you!
:::
:::
::: I have never aligned a mux part of a receiver, so I can't be much help, but, here's what I know. The 19 kHz. would be a sine wave. The station sends it out at 10% modulation on the main carrier. The main channel has both the right and left channels mixed in phase (L+R), and put out as a monophonic FM signal, just like always. The phase of the right channel is then inverted, (L-R) and double sideband modulated on a 38 kHz. sub carrier.
:::
::: Since there is no carrier in DSB modulation, The station also inserts a pilot of 19 kHz, at 10% modulation. The station can also put elevator music on a AM sub carrier at 64 kH. The 19 kHz. is detected, and turns on the decoding circuits (and the stereo indicator light).
:::
::: The 19kHz. is doubled to 38 kHz., and this is inserted into the subcarrier demodulator as the carrier. The decoding circuits demodulate the subcarrier to retrieve the (L-R) signal and add (mix)and subtract (invert the phase and mix) that signal from the main channel (L+R). So, (L+R)+(L-R)=2L, and (L+R)-(L-R)=2R, and you have your stereo back. (L-R) equals the stuff that is not stereo, while (L+R) is the monophonic component of the stereo, so you get both channels on a mono receiver.
:::
::: The tricky part is that the 38 kHz has to be almost exactly in phase with the 38 kHz. that the station inserted in the transmitter)of coure,inserting a carrier at 90 drgrees out of phase would result in no demodulation, so you could actually put two subcarriers 90 degrees out of phase, and have three signals on one main carrier, but I don't wabt to talk about color TV on a radio forum. You would have to have 40% modulation an the main and sub channels, 10% on the pilot and the last 10% for your background music, which is on a 64 kHz. subcarrier, which requires an AM detector.
:::
:::As to the scope, what you see on the scope will depend on where the sccope is connected. Maximum and minimum deflection means biggest and smallest peak-to-peak sine wave Voltage.
:::
:::I hope this helps.
:::Lewis
::
::Hi Lewis,
::
::Thanks for the explanation. But I have another question. I don't want to overload the circuit. So I don't know what will be a safe voltage for the sinewave...
::
::Thanks.

OOps, hit submit. As I said, I only worked on the transmitting end of FM stereo, so I don't know much about the actual practical side of receivers. I looked up the schematic of my home stereo, and it is just a chip where the composite audio (that is, the main channel, the sub channel, and the pilot are sent into a pin on a chip, and the left and right channels come out to their respective amplfiers. If no stereo pilot is found, the right and left channels are the same {monaural) and the "stereo" light goes out. There is some tuning, but I don't know shat it does, maybe adjusts the phase of the 38 kHz carrier. By the time FM stereo came aloong, I was a long way from fixing radios, but was feeding them RF out of an antenna. But the I know that the 19 kHz pilot is 10% modulaation, and the main channel (Mono) is 40% modulated, so the pilot (19 kHz) would be a lower level than the main audio.
Lewis

3/31/2009 10:45:05 AMEdd















What is the tune-up procedure for my V-8 engine. . . . .it’s a HEMI?

Covers a lot of territory, doesn’t it ?

I wouldn’t even th-i-i-i-i-i-i-i- iink about it (alignment). . . . . . without having YOUR FM sets brand and model number and then the
capability of consulting of its schematic to see how it's designed. Then, the info could come forth.





73's de Edd








3/31/2009 8:14:45 PMJeffy
It's a Pilot 100 fm multiplexer.

After passing a couple of minutes on it with my scope and generator, now I have a stereo output, but the sound is not good. Then, I tried to fix it by «ears», the mpx connect to a fm mpx tuner... Sound is better but not perfect. Tried different tubes, better result with NOS JAN tubes.

Can I lubricate the coils to help me adjust them? If yes, with what? Is there a danger to often play with them (wear)?

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