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ZENITH MODEL H511 CHASSIS 5H01
2/9/2009 5:50:14 PMSCOTTY
Newbie to this forum but not to tube radios.I've been reading this forum for about a year now and am amazed at the wealth of knowledge.I have this zenith H511 and have replaced all caps and elec.I fired it up and aligned it.It was sensetive and selective but had a loud frying egg static sound.I removed the hi side of the volume control and the static was gone.This told me the problem was foward of this point.I replaced all the resistors in the rf section but this did not cure it.I then replaced all the tubes - static still there.I found if i wiggled the second IF can the static would get loud or soft.I removed the IF and took it apart.I resoldered all the coil wires and noticed this strange capacitor arrangement at the bottom under the coils.But i remounted and connected it.Static was still there and wiggling the IF still changed the static.Took it apart and measured the strange caps with a digital cap meter.I read 100pf across each coil and a 50pf on secodary coil to ground which i beleive is part of a tweet filter.I replaced these caps with silver mica caps 500 volt.Put it all back together and realigned it.Now i canonly pick up about 3 strong local stations with the VC all the way up.I must sound like a LUNY for even doing this but i had to find out.I need any advise on this or if i should even have tryed.Thanks in advance! SCOTTY.
2/9/2009 6:29:58 PMWarren
Here is a link that should help you with your IF problem

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9178/radios/repair.htm#if

I have had this happen too.

2/9/2009 6:51:02 PMEdd








GREAT “SCOTT”…y !:


Sounds like you “Got ‘er done” ,with a sole possibility of maybe slightly missing the optimum values of the silver mica resonating
capacitors that you replaced.


The condition then being such that you cannot quite reach and peak to a 455 resonance of the IF strip, with the mechanical adjustment range of the slugs in the transformer(s), ergo, your decreased performance; with only the strongest stas coming in.






73's de Edd




2/9/2009 7:16:29 PMSCOTTY
:Here is a link that should help you with your IF problem
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:http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9178/radios/repair.htm#if
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:I have had this happen too. WARREN,EDD&STEVE: Thank you all for the great info.It's a pleasure to be able to use this forum.THANKS AGAIN!
2/9/2009 7:06:48 PMSteve - W9DX
Scotty: here's another link with some Zenith IF can wiring diagrams and internal cap values. http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9178/radios/repair.htm#if

Click on the image to enlarge it. Maybe one of these matches your Zenith part number.
Steve

2/9/2009 10:12:47 PMSteve - W9DX
Oops! Another "senior moment". This is the one I was trying to paste:
http://www.sparkbench.com/zenithifxfmrs.gif

Steve

2/10/2009 3:26:15 PMSCOTTY
STEVE: Thanks for the additional information.
2/11/2009 3:27:38 PMEdd








GREAT “SCOTT”…y !:


In pulling the ZENITH factory referencing for your sets’ 5H01 chassis, reveals it to be using the larger profile IF transformer, and not the usually
expected “K-tran” style of ¾ inch cased unit that most were expecting.

That unit exhibits a complete different mechanics in its built in mica capacitors for the two I.F. coils. Its reliability, mainly dependent upon the
pressure contacts in interfacing to the silvering of the mica disc.

Therein, you have two dissimilar metals and the high susceptibility of that silvering taking on a black Ag0² coating, along with the yet later
possibility of that oxide then taking on a progressive buildup and lateral migration.


That is particularly the case, if the surrounding air is laden with high humidity and the presence of airborne sulfurous and nitric oxides mixed in.


If I see that series of transformers, usually I can whack the case a bit and the unit will respond with a static burst or slight tuning shift, and the temp
weakening of reception if it is tuned into a weaker station.

Doing a full disassembly of the unit will permit me to inspect the mica dielectric disc and the companion “petals” of the contacts
that mate onto the disc.
A dipping of the disc into a liquid jewelry cleaner and brushing action gets rid of the black oxide and a white vinyl eraser removes any balance being left.
Then one checks the peripheral edge if the mica disc to see if an Exacto blade is needed to scrape / remove any silvering that might be interconnecting
or permit arcing between adjunct segments and front to back segments on either sides of the mica disc.

A final procedure is to use the eraser to clean the contact areas of the “petals” and the mating portions of the silvering on the disc and then a degreasing
to remove any possibility of eraser contaminants.

Then there was reassembly and a touch up of the 455 alignment of the set.

In some few cases where the mica disc was not reusable. . . . one time I used drafting film. . . .on another, I used the clear plastic. . . . (one sees it being
used in the clamshell containers for veggies, fruits, foodstuffs). . . . . in order to make a disc to insulate / separate the contacts and along with its inherent
dielectric capacitance that it would be presenting.

With the I.F. tran then reassembled, I had adjustable capacitors tacked in externally across the pri / sec coil windings and previously had centered the
slugs within the coils while apart and then moved the slugs outwardly ≈ 1/2 of a slug width.

The 455 alignment was done with the variable trimmer caps and then they were pulled and measured so that fixed silver micas of those values could be
installed externally .

I have photos of the infrastructure of that particular series of Zeenuts I.F. transformers and will initially post just the different blowups of its construction
and then should be able to add in the textual particulars in a day or so.


See, the separate . . . . . Anatomy of a Zenith I.F. Transformer


Tech Info:



73's de Edd





2/17/2009 4:50:42 PMSCOTTY
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:EDD:Sorry it took so long to reply.Before I got your message,I had changed the caps with 100pf instead of the 120pf's & 50pf instead of the 180pf.It seems to work fine but I am wondering if I should change them to line up with the schematic you submited?Any advise would be appreciated.Thank you.
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:GREAT “SCOTT”…y !:
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:In pulling the ZENITH factory referencing for your sets’ 5H01 chassis, reveals it to be using the larger profile IF transformer, and not the usually
:expected “K-tran” style of ¾ inch cased unit that most were expecting.
:
:That unit exhibits a complete different mechanics in its built in mica capacitors for the two I.F. coils. Its reliability, mainly dependent upon the
: pressure contacts in interfacing to the silvering of the mica disc.
:
: Therein, you have two dissimilar metals and the high susceptibility of that silvering taking on a black Ag0² coating, along with the yet later
: possibility of that oxide then taking on a progressive buildup and lateral migration.
:
:
:That is particularly the case, if the surrounding air is laden with high humidity and the presence of airborne sulfurous and nitric oxides mixed in.
:
:
:If I see that series of transformers, usually I can whack the case a bit and the unit will respond with a static burst or slight tuning shift, and the temp
: weakening of reception if it is tuned into a weaker station.
:
:Doing a full disassembly of the unit will permit me to inspect the mica dielectric disc and the companion “petals” of the contacts
:that mate onto the disc.
: A dipping of the disc into a liquid jewelry cleaner and brushing action gets rid of the black oxide and a white vinyl eraser removes any balance being left.
: Then one checks the peripheral edge if the mica disc to see if an Exacto blade is needed to scrape / remove any silvering that might be interconnecting
:or permit arcing between adjunct segments and front to back segments on either sides of the mica disc.
:
:A final procedure is to use the eraser to clean the contact areas of the “petals” and the mating portions of the silvering on the disc and then a degreasing
:to remove any possibility of eraser contaminants.
:
:Then there was reassembly and a touch up of the 455 alignment of the set.
:
:In some few cases where the mica disc was not reusable. . . . one time I used drafting film. . . .on another, I used the clear plastic. . . . (one sees it being
:used in the clamshell containers for veggies, fruits, foodstuffs). . . . . in order to make a disc to insulate / separate the contacts and along with its inherent
:dielectric capacitance that it would be presenting.
:
:With the I.F. tran then reassembled, I had adjustable capacitors tacked in externally across the pri / sec coil windings and previously had centered the
:slugs within the coils while apart and then moved the slugs outwardly ≈ 1/2 of a slug width.
:
:The 455 alignment was done with the variable trimmer caps and then they were pulled and measured so that fixed silver micas of those values could be
:installed externally .
:
:
:
:I have photos of the infrastructure of that particular series of Zeenuts I.F. transformers and will initially post just the different blowups of its construction
: and then should be able to add in the textual particulars in a day or so.
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:
:See, the separate . . . . . Anatomy of a Zenith I.F. Transformer
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:Tech Info:
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:73's de Edd

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