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OK this sucks!! Can't read schematic for RCA
1/13/2009 1:42:30 AMG. Berg
Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???
1/13/2009 1:46:40 AMG. Berg..OOPS I meant RCA 143
:Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???
1/13/2009 2:12:26 AMWarren
::Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???

Yeah, the print is hard to read alright. could you print it out on a laser printer, then look with a magnifier glass ?

1/13/2009 2:55:17 AMWarren
:::Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???
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:Yeah, the print is hard to read alright. could you print it out on a laser printer, then look with a magnifier glass ?

Found this about your radio. Very nice, and rare find.

http://www.tuberadioland.com/RCA143_main.html

He does list the schematic. But it's the same hard to read one. Good luck. Hope you can bring this one back.

1/13/2009 7:46:22 PMG. Berg..THANKS WARREN FOR THAT INFO!!
Thanks Warren for that info!!

::::Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???
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::Yeah, the print is hard to read alright. could you print it out on a laser printer, then look with a magnifier glass ?
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:Found this about your radio. Very nice, and rare find.
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:http://www.tuberadioland.com/RCA143_main.html
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:He does list the schematic. But it's the same hard to read one. Good luck. Hope you can bring this one back.
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1/13/2009 12:12:57 PMDave Froehlich
G. Berg,
I have volume VI of Riders with this schematic in it. What component are you having trouble seeing? Maybe later today or tomorrow I can scan parts of it larger for you. This is page RCA 6-45 we are talking about. There are 3 pages to the service data (Schematic RCA 6-45, wiring diagram RCA 6-46, and parts list RCA 6-47).

Dave
::Hi all ..I recently picked up a UNTOUCHED..minty RCA 134...Like new cabinet and untouched electronics!!! I want to restore the electronics (the usual..replace caps..ect.)..The problem is..the schematic is unreadable..print is to small to make out....I tries to increase the size of schematic ..but still ...cap calues are not readable....ANY HELP OR SUGGESTIONS???

1/13/2009 8:37:14 AMMal Murphy
If the electronics are indeed "untouched" - for the most part it should be a simple matter to read the value and voltage rating printed on the capacitor you are wanting to replace. I've repaired many a radio without having a schematic and usually use them only with sets that have been "tinkered" with.
1/13/2009 7:36:51 PMG. Berg ...Mal ..Dave
Mal..In regards to my RCA 143 ..I don't think you have restored this radio...RCA used their own code system..values are not on caps...DAVE..The whole schematic(s) are hard to read..Even if you laser print them and use a mag. glass to blow up still can't read because they are originally printed sloppy

:If the electronics are indeed "untouched" - for the most part it should be a simple matter to read the value and voltage rating printed on the capacitor you are wanting to replace. I've repaired many a radio without having a schematic and usually use them only with sets that have been "tinkered" with.

1/13/2009 11:04:55 PMS-O-L
Well, I guess you're S-O-L then GBerg....
1/21/2009 3:17:13 PMDave Froehlich
G. Berg,
I'll scan it and see if I can do better.
RCA 143.

Dave
:Mal..In regards to my RCA 143 ..I don't think you have restored this radio...RCA used their own code system..values are not on caps...DAVE..The whole schematic(s) are hard to read..Even if you laser print them and use a mag. glass to blow up still can't read because they are originally printed sloppy
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::If the electronics are indeed "untouched" - for the most part it should be a simple matter to read the value and voltage rating printed on the capacitor you are wanting to replace. I've repaired many a radio without having a schematic and usually use them only with sets that have been "tinkered" with.

1/21/2009 3:41:11 PMDave Froehlich
G. Berg,
How is this image?:

http://web.mac.com/davesantiqueradio/Site_2/RCA-143.html

You will need to right click on the image and then save it to your desk top or other folder before viewing it in your favorite image viewer. It's a jpeg file. It's large. But just 716K Bytes.

If it's not clear enough even zooming in, I can make it much larger and higher resolution. I can even enlarge sections of it that you are having trouble seeing.

Dave
:G. Berg,
:I'll scan it and see if I can do better.
:RCA 143.
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:Dave
::Mal..In regards to my RCA 143 ..I don't think you have restored this radio...RCA used their own code system..values are not on caps...DAVE..The whole schematic(s) are hard to read..Even if you laser print them and use a mag. glass to blow up still can't read because they are originally printed sloppy
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:::If the electronics are indeed "untouched" - for the most part it should be a simple matter to read the value and voltage rating printed on the capacitor you are wanting to replace. I've repaired many a radio without having a schematic and usually use them only with sets that have been "tinkered" with.

1/13/2009 8:30:27 PMEd Kraushar
I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.

www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf

Ed.

1/13/2009 10:19:33 PMG. Berg.....Ed....
Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM

:I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
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:www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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:Ed.

1/14/2009 11:14:08 AMAllanG
:Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM
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::I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
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::www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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::Ed.
1/14/2009 11:17:01 AMAllanG
Mr. Berg:

I have a pdf schematic for an RCA 143 that shows cap values. I enlarged it to 200% and was still clear. Would be happy to send if you give me your email address. Not sure if its what you want, but I'd be happy to forward to your for a look.
Regards,

Allan


::Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM
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:::I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
:::
:::www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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:::Ed.

1/14/2009 4:45:20 PMEdd









Sir G.Berg:


. . . . . .aka. . . . The Berg’ ster


There is still a minute degree of uncertainity in my mind, if you are needing a wiring pictorial layout of that chassis, but probably not, with you having a “voigin” unit, and you apparently solely need a more legible conventional schematic for its consultation.

With that consideration, and the Right Honorable and Esteemed Ed K. . .. Esq. . . having provided, probably the clearest copy, having been encountered so far, I took it and expanded it un up to about a 6 meg BMP format and then made evaluation of it and the placing of some specific textual enhancements to it.


Picked the file up, waaay up in Can-A-Duh, with no trouble encountered at customs. . . except one long line. . . . the only surprise was when, totally unbeknown to me, a big drug sniffing dog had sidled up behind me and GOOSED me in my gluteus minimus. . .not once, but twice. . . .now, THAT certainly woke me up.

Looking at the schematic now, I have considered the initial prime areas of consideration and initially marked up all of
the electrolytic capacitors used in the sets power supply and adjunct audio circuitry. The next consideration would be common paper capacitors used for decoupling/ bypassing the B+ supply of RF, I.F. transformers used in the set.

Then there would be the like B+ bypassing capacitors for the screen supplies and cathodes of tube circuitry. Then, the capacitors used as couplers between plate-to-grid circuitry over in the audio output.

Then, any capacitors that might be tied to or shunting the high peak voltages of audio that one might find in the audio output stage.


Unless PROVEN bad, I typically give an assumptive clean bill of health. . .en masse . . . to the multitude of small mmf values of silver mica caps used up in the frontal RF circuitry, along with the I.F. strip, and let them go ahead and fully experience their half life of 4 eons.

The principal parts values are marked, and the red dots were merely placed in as possible other areas where one might need the parts value, but I did not put them in on this run.

Any info can be supplicated, if you will request, and point out the location.

The end file is condensed to a PNG, so that anyone with dial up would not need ‘til next February ‘lebenteenth on a download.


Using Windows _Picture_ Viewer, will additionally let one zero in on any magnification desired.

THASSIT. . . . ..

BEEEEG BLOW UP OF. . . . . . RCA 143. . . . . .CHASSICATEUR. . . .






73's de Edd







1/14/2009 7:36:08 PMG. Berg....Edd..THANKS!!! Wiring diagram...please
THANKS Edd for that info....MY bad though..My skills are not at the point yet where I am able to fully read a schematic..I should of asked for the wiring diagram instead...Could you ..PLEASE PLEASE ..decipher that one for me..THAT WOULD BE A GREAT HELP!!!

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:There is still a minute degree of uncertainity in my mind, if you are needing a wiring pictorial layout of that chassis, but probably not, with you having a “voigin” unit, and you apparently solely need a more legible conventional schematic for its consultation.
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:With that consideration, and the Right Honorable and Esteemed Ed K. . .. Esq. . . having provided, probably the clearest copy, having been encountered so far, I took it and expanded it un up to about a 6 meg BMP format and then made evaluation of it and the placing of some specific textual enhancements to it.
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:Picked the file up, waaay up in Can-A-Duh, with no trouble encountered at customs. . . except one long line. . . . the only surprise was when, totally unbeknown to me, a big drug sniffing dog had sidled up behind me and GOOSED me in my gluteus minimus. . .not once, but twice. . . .now, THAT certainly woke me up.
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:Looking at the schematic now, I have considered the initial prime areas of consideration and initially marked up all of
:the electrolytic capacitors used in the sets power supply and adjunct audio circuitry. The next consideration would be common paper capacitors used for decoupling/ bypassing the B+ supply of RF, I.F. transformers used in the set.
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:Then there would be the like B+ bypassing capacitors for the screen supplies and cathodes of tube circuitry. Then, the capacitors used as couplers between plate-to-grid circuitry over in the audio output.
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:Then, any capacitors that might be tied to or shunting the high peak voltages of audio that one might find in the audio output stage.
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:Unless PROVEN bad, I typically give an assumptive clean bill of health. . .en masse . . . to the multitude of small mmf values of silver mica caps used up in the frontal RF circuitry, along with the I.F. strip, and let them go ahead and fully experience their half life of 4 eons.
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:The principal parts values are marked, and the red dots were merely placed in as possible other areas where one might need the parts value, but I did not put them in on this run.
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:Any info can be supplicated, if you will request, and point out the location.
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:The end file is condensed to a PNG, so that anyone with dial up would not need ‘til next February ‘lebenteenth on a download.
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1/15/2009 9:19:48 AMMal Murphy
"..My skills are not at the point yet where I am able to fully read a schematic..I should of asked for the wiring diagram instead..."

Perhaps you can correlate the part # on the cap to the parts list - but, there's no better time than the present to learn schematics..... if you continue to depend on wiring diagrams, you'll continually be disappointed since they are often not available. Make several copies of the schematic and practice tracing out circuits(using a hiliter)until you have done the entire radio. Start with a simple AA5 and work up to more complex sets.... just a suggestion.

1/14/2009 7:32:24 PMg. Berg...Allan..please send..wiring diagram?
Allan..please send..also do you have the wiring diagram ..it would greatly help...THANKS!!!!!

:Mr. Berg:
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:I have a pdf schematic for an RCA 143 that shows cap values. I enlarged it to 200% and was still clear. Would be happy to send if you give me your email address. Not sure if its what you want, but I'd be happy to forward to your for a look.
:Regards,
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:Allan
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:::Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM
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::::I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
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::::www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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::::Ed.

1/14/2009 7:37:47 PMOOPS...email..here Allan

posted email addy here... thanks
:Allan..please send..also do you have the wiring diagram ..it would greatly help...THANKS!!!!!
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::Mr. Berg:
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::I have a pdf schematic for an RCA 143 that shows cap values. I enlarged it to 200% and was still clear. Would be happy to send if you give me your email address. Not sure if its what you want, but I'd be happy to forward to your for a look.
::Regards,
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::Allan
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::::Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM
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:::::I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
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:::::www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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:::::Ed.
1/17/2009 12:14:33 AMG. Berg..Allen..Ed.. HELP..!!!!
Since my skills are not at the ability to fully read a schematic...Allen could you send me that copy..Also Ed could you decipher the caps for me on the RCA 143 wiring diagram THANK YOU!!!:

:posted email addy here... thanks
::Allan..please send..also do you have the wiring diagram ..it would greatly help...THANKS!!!!!
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:::Mr. Berg:
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:::I have a pdf schematic for an RCA 143 that shows cap values. I enlarged it to 200% and was still clear. Would be happy to send if you give me your email address. Not sure if its what you want, but I'd be happy to forward to your for a look.
:::Regards,
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:::Allan
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:::::Ed thanks but thats the same one I have...Maybe best to just leave this radio in original condition..and not play it at all...HMMMM
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::::::I have posted a page from the Canadian RCA Service Manual 1. The original is pretty poor but perhaps you may be able to read some of the values.
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::::::www.nexicom.net/~oidar/rca143.pdf
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::::::Ed.

1/17/2009 8:04:01 PMSteve Johnson
I have a high resolution scan I made of the schematics and all the RCA service information including the parts list, etc. if you want it. It's a 6MB file.

You can download it here:
http://stevenjohnson.com/downloads/rca-m-143-242-243-341-342.pdf

I'll keep it posted there for a couple of days. Let me know when you have it.
Hope it helps.

1/17/2009 10:38:09 PMG. Berg..THANKS STEVE will do that!!
:I have a high resolution scan I made of the schematics and all the RCA service information including the parts list, etc. if you want it. It's a 6MB file.
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:You can download it here:
:http://stevenjohnson.com/downloads/rca-m-143-242-243-341-342.pdf
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:I'll keep it posted there for a couple of days. Let me know when you have it.
:Hope it helps.
1/20/2009 2:30:32 PMG. Berg ...THANKS STEVE!!!
Steve..the info you sent wa exactly what I needed!!! The parts list has the missing info that was needed. Plus the schematic is readable...OK HERE WE GO..I am going to restore my rca 143..YOO HOO!!!
:I have a high resolution scan I made of the schematics and all the RCA service information including the parts list, etc. if you want it. It's a 6MB file.
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:You can download it here:
:http://stevenjohnson.com/downloads/rca-m-143-242-243-341-342.pdf
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:I'll keep it posted there for a couple of days. Let me know when you have it.
:Hope it helps.
1/20/2009 5:49:41 PMSteve Johnson
Glad you could use it.

:Steve..the info you sent wa exactly what I needed!!! The parts list has the missing info that was needed. Plus the schematic is readable...OK HERE WE GO..I am going to restore my rca 143..YOO HOO!!!
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::I have a high resolution scan I made of the schematics and all the RCA service information including the parts list, etc. if you want it. It's a 6MB file.
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::Hope it helps.



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