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Speaker cardboard ring replacement?
1/5/2009 3:15:12 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Sometimes the cardboard ring falls apart and I have to piece-meal it back.
Sometimes its gone.
This week I replaced a cone with a new one that has the foam surround. The old ring would not fit back in the basket rim without crushing the foam edge.... so I glued the new cone and temp used some small flat sticks to glue over it.
I need something that has the same thickness but not as wide.

Do any of you have a good idea for a thinner width flexible hard material to use as a substitute?

1/5/2009 5:26:43 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Sorry 'bout that. I don't usually stutter.
1/5/2009 6:30:29 AMBill VA
I figure you know about matboard...any use here?
Bill

:Sometimes the cardboard ring falls apart and I have to piece-meal it back.
:Sometimes its gone.
:This week I replaced a cone with a new one that has the foam surround. The old ring would not fit back in the basket rim without crushing the foam edge.... so I glued the new cone and temp used some small flat sticks to glue over it.
:I need something that has the same thickness but not as wide.
:
:Do any of you have a good idea for a thinner width flexible hard material to use as a substitute?

1/5/2009 12:06:42 PMWarren
:Sometimes the cardboard ring falls apart and I have to piece-meal it back.
:Sometimes its gone.
:This week I replaced a cone with a new one that has the foam surround. The old ring would not fit back in the basket rim without crushing the foam edge.... so I glued the new cone and temp used some small flat sticks to glue over it.
:I need something that has the same thickness but not as wide.
:
:Do any of you have a good idea for a thinner width flexible hard material to use as a substitute?

Auto parts store. Fel-Pro gasket sheet. Comes in cork, or other type material. easy to cut.

1/5/2009 7:47:37 PMTerry f
Try a craft store and look in the "picture mounting" section for material. Usually all you have to do is double it in thickness (glue it if you want a rigid ring) and it will be pretty close to the original you want. It comes in large sizes , colors, etc. and cuts easily with an Exacto knife.

My 2 cents.
Terry F

1/5/2009 7:52:50 PMPeter G. Balazsy
yes... I have mat board here ... and it is good strong stuff.. but it doesn't cut very easily on a curve... or at least I find it hard.

I'm hoping to find something narrow (3/8" or so) on a roll that's bendable around the curve.F

1/5/2009 8:27:38 PMThomas Dermody
I use the brown felt sheets that come with glue on the back. Cut to size, peel off the back, and stack as many as you like. I'll e-mail you a picture of a speaker I did that way. If you want, you can post it on here. It's that small Majestic International that I've worked on. It's mostly done, but I can't complete it because I haven't taken the time yet to complete the dial escutcheons.

T.

1/5/2009 11:26:50 PMPeter G. Balazsy
:I use the brown felt sheets that come with glue on the back. Cut to size, peel off the back, and stack as many as you like. I'll e-mail you a picture of a speaker I did that way. If you want, you can post it on here. It's that small Majestic International that I've worked on. It's mostly done, but I can't complete it because I haven't taken the time yet to complete the dial escutcheons.
:
:T.

Sounds like that thick stiff light-brown fuzzy non-scratch pad stuff that also comes as dots or round pads?
..or are you talking about something softer and more flexible like the felt that goes behind knobs?

The stiff stuff seems like it would be too hard to cut it into curved sections of 1/4 wide.

I guess like Marve suggests cork might be great if I can get it in 1/4" strips or on a roll... then you could just bend it around the curve.

I want to have it flush all against the full outer metal lip of the basket so I can also glue it there to help keep the cone's lip securely flat.

1/5/2009 11:52:49 PMBob E.
Peter,
I checked out the Fel-Pro cork sheeting today. I can get it at a car parts outlet. It comes 1/16, 3/32, and 1/8 inch thickness. It comes in a roll 10 inches wide by 26 inches long. I think it was about $10. Seems it would be simple to trace out and cut with an exacto knife for a nice clean fit.
Bob
1/6/2009 12:51:17 AMG.Berg
In the craft section at Walmart you can get felt sheets with or with out sticky side...for under a $1.00. They come in different colors and are also perfect for displaying small radios on an area you do not want scratched or better yet.. green or black colors are perfect for the bottom of horn speakers

::I use the brown felt sheets that come with glue on the back. Cut to size, peel off the back, and stack as many as you like. I'll e-mail you a picture of a speaker I did that way. If you want, you can post it on here. It's that small Majestic International that I've worked on. It's mostly done, but I can't complete it because I haven't taken the time yet to complete the dial escutcheons.
::
::T.
:
:Sounds like that thick stiff light-brown fuzzy non-scratch pad stuff that also comes as dots or round pads?
:..or are you talking about something softer and more flexible like the felt that goes behind knobs?
:
:The stiff stuff seems like it would be too hard to cut it into curved sections of 1/4 wide.
:
:I guess like Marve suggests cork might be great if I can get it in 1/4" strips or on a roll... then you could just bend it around the curve.
:
:I want to have it flush all against the full outer metal lip of the basket so I can also glue it there to help keep the cone's lip securely flat.
:

1/6/2009 1:44:07 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Thanks for all those ideas.
I like the cork thought but hate to think of trying to cut it to fit.... outer diameter is easy but inner ... well maybe I could use a compass... hay that might be ok.

I'll check the craft stores..

But.. hey now that I think about it more...I think I might have another possible answer.

How about thick round fiber upholstery welting/cording or maybe better yet... the flat cardboard tack strips made from cardboard and/or wood fiber that comes in rolls.
I'm going to find a fabric or craft store and see what's there.

1/6/2009 4:22:48 PMterry
:Thanks for all those ideas.
:I like the cork thought but hate to think of trying to cut it to fit.... outer diameter is easy but inner ... well maybe I could use a compass... hay that might be ok.
:
:I'll check the craft stores..
:
:But.. hey now that I think about it more...I think I might have another possible answer.
:
:How about thick round fiber upholstery welting/cording or maybe better yet... the flat cardboard tack strips made from cardboard and/or wood fiber that comes in rolls.
:I'm going to find a fabric or craft store and see what's there.
:

How about filling the void with RTV and placing felt spacers on the speaker frame itself to get the spacing you need?

1/25/2009 8:19:19 PMbump
::Thanks for all those ideas.
::I like the cork thought but hate to think of trying to cut it to fit.... outer diameter is easy but inner ... well maybe I could use a compass... hay that might be ok.
::
::I'll check the craft stores..
::
::But.. hey now that I think about it more...I think I might have another possible answer.
::
::How about thick round fiber upholstery welting/cording or maybe better yet... the flat cardboard tack strips made from cardboard and/or wood fiber that comes in rolls.
::I'm going to find a fabric or craft store and see what's there.
::
:
:How about filling the void with RTV and placing felt spacers on the speaker frame itself to get the spacing you need?
1/7/2009 1:28:10 AMPeter G. Balazsy
:I use the brown felt sheets that come with glue on the back. Cut to size, peel off the back, and stack as many as you like. If you want, you can post it on here. It's that small Majestic International that I've worked on.

Here's that radio Thomas used the felt on:

1/7/2009 12:02:00 PMTHomas Dermody
......I think that you could cut straight strips and then curve them, though with the paper backing, maybe not. At 1/4 of an inch, though, it might work.

I have to try that img src thing..... I've never gotten it right (probably because I never tried hard).

This one probably won't work because it's copyright protected, but maybe.

1/7/2009 12:19:56 PM. . .
1/7/2009 12:26:30 PMThomas Dermody
:

I am not a 50s radio fan, but those are some very pleasing/colorful radios!

T.

1/5/2009 10:22:54 PMMarv Nuce
Peter,
Suggest you start with thin cork (easy to cut) and stack/glue several layers. It would be somewhat flexible, but yet wouldn't compress severly. The picture framing stuff would be great, and high end framing shops have the machinery to cut intricate shapes, but cutting the thickness you want would be very difficult with an Xacto knife.

marv

:Sometimes the cardboard ring falls apart and I have to piece-meal it back.
:Sometimes its gone.
:This week I replaced a cone with a new one that has the foam surround. The old ring would not fit back in the basket rim without crushing the foam edge.... so I glued the new cone and temp used some small flat sticks to glue over it.
:I need something that has the same thickness but not as wide.
:
:Do any of you have a good idea for a thinner width flexible hard material to use as a substitute?

1/16/2009 11:24:33 PMPeter G. Balazsy
Well I did some shopping at the crafts store yesterday, searching for a good substitute for the cardboard speaker ring.

I didn't find any cork or felt!

I tried to find a circle-cutter there to cut mat too board but they didn't have one.

Then I tried to find some fiber or cardboard-paper type upholstery welting or cording.

Again they had none. What I saw that seemed good was the rolled paper, cord-like handles on shopping bags.
It's very tough and flexible.
But I only saw it on shopping bags.. no rolls of it.

Out of frustration I saw a roll of narrow gauge hemp. So as an experiment I tried it.

Well it's a very good size ....and fits the job very well ....though it kinda looks a bit goofy.
I used white glue to fix it in place and I used a white glue slurry to paint it with to keep it from fraying and looking bad.

So well.. now.. it's in there doing the job very well and the space it fills is just right.

My kitty seems to have her own opinion though.

1/17/2009 12:16:06 PMBob Z
Walmart sell's 12 inch squares of cork about 1/4 inch thick in packages of 4 or 5 for about 8 dollars. I used it to replace the gasket between the dial glass and dial on a Steward Warner radio. You have to be a little careful as it is quite fragile once cut to a thin circle, but once installed it worked just like the original. It is in the stationary section.
Bob Z

:Well I did some shopping at the crafts store yesterday, searching for a good substitute for the cardboard speaker ring.
:
:I didn't find any cork or felt!
:
: I tried to find a circle-cutter there to cut mat too board but they didn't have one.
:
:Then I tried to find some fiber or cardboard-paper type upholstery welting or cording.
:
:Again they had none. What I saw that seemed good was the rolled paper, cord-like handles on shopping bags.
:It's very tough and flexible.
:But I only saw it on shopping bags.. no rolls of it.
:
:Out of frustration I saw a roll of narrow gauge hemp. So as an experiment I tried it.
:
:Well it's a very good size ....and fits the job very well ....though it kinda looks a bit goofy.
:I used white glue to fix it in place and I used a white glue slurry to paint it with to keep it from fraying and looking bad.
:
:So well.. now.. it's in there doing the job very well and the space it fills is just right.
:
:My kitty seems to have her own opinion though.
:
:

1/17/2009 2:47:53 PMThomas Dermody
Far out dude! Seems effective. Gives the speaker an almost maritime look. You could name it the "Melody Cruiser."

They sell the felt sheets at hardware stores. They come with a peel off back. Craft stores are a toss-up, as I can almost never find exactly what I want, even though there's so much stuff. I wish that they carried the artificial leather (paper or cloth) found on some older items. For one box that I want to restore, I think that I'm going to stretch a piece of linen flat and then spray it black multiple times. That'll look pretty much like the original covering. A hot long piece of metal can stamp the border markings into the material. ....Another project for another time.

T.

1/17/2009 8:02:04 PMPeter G. Balazsy
:Far out dude! Seems effective. Gives the speaker an almost maritime look. You could name it the "Melody Cruiser."
:
:They sell the felt sheets at hardware stores. They come with a peel off back. Craft stores are a toss-up, as I can almost never find exactly what I want, even though there's so much stuff. I wish that they carried the artificial leather (paper or cloth) found on some older items. For one box that I want to restore, I think that I'm going to stretch a piece of linen flat and then spray it black multiple times. That'll look pretty much like the original covering. A hot long piece of metal can stamp the border markings into the material. ....Another project for another time.
:
:T.

Thomas:
I did see plenty of soft pliable leather in bags of all sorts at Michales Stores.

1/18/2009 1:27:00 AMThomas Dermody
Thin leather? That'd be nice.

Actually, thick, soft leather cut in thin strips would also work around your speaker's edge (though the hemp seems to be doing the trick just fine).

T.

1/18/2009 1:52:19 PMMal Murphy
:

Although it would fit well on the set of the Beverly Hillbillies - it serves the purpose. As one friend of mine often says - "pretty is as pretty does" - ie., you should judge things as they perform and not by their appearance. Who of us hasn't seen such ingenious "make do" repairs on radios from the Great Depression? I applaud Peter for his resourcefulness.

1/18/2009 7:46:08 PMjon
what would happen if that ring was just left off. honestly? im not being funny i just dont know what it does
:
:Although it would fit well on the set of the Beverly Hillbillies - it serves the purpose. As one friend of mine often says - "pretty is as pretty does" - ie., you should judge things as they perform and not by their appearance. Who of us hasn't seen such ingenious "make do" repairs on radios from the Great Depression? I applaud Peter for his resourcefulness.
1/18/2009 8:38:27 PMPeter G. Balazsy
:what would happen if that ring was just left off. honestly? im not being funny i just dont know what it does
::

It just fills the space between the speaker and the cabinet so it can be up against the wood but not touch and distort the speaker.

Plus it helps keep the speaker cone's outer edge flat down and in place against the metal basket so it won't rattle. Even though it is glued sometimes the glue dries up. This helps mechanically hold in in as well.

1/18/2009 11:43:43 PMThomas Dermody
A good seal to the baffle also improves bass response and volume.

I think that Peter's speaker is far to neat and carefully done to qualify for Beverly Hillbillies.

T.

1/18/2009 4:23:20 PMMmakazoo
What about some black shoe polish or stain to make it blend in a bit more? Of course, with the radio in the cabinet, no one will see it. Mark from Kalamazoo
1/18/2009 10:45:40 PMMarv Nuce
Peter,
Well, may look good to you, and be hidden behind the speaker grille, but my methods wouldn't have allowed such an abortion, maritime or not. Even the foam roll on the patched speaker cone looks a little out of place.

marv

:Well I did some shopping at the crafts store yesterday, searching for a good substitute for the cardboard speaker ring.
:
:I didn't find any cork or felt!
:
: I tried to find a circle-cutter there to cut mat too board but they didn't have one.
:
:Then I tried to find some fiber or cardboard-paper type upholstery welting or cording.
:
:Again they had none. What I saw that seemed good was the rolled paper, cord-like handles on shopping bags.
:It's very tough and flexible.
:But I only saw it on shopping bags.. no rolls of it.
:
:Out of frustration I saw a roll of narrow gauge hemp. So as an experiment I tried it.
:
:Well it's a very good size ....and fits the job very well ....though it kinda looks a bit goofy.
:I used white glue to fix it in place and I used a white glue slurry to paint it with to keep it from fraying and looking bad.
:
:So well.. now.. it's in there doing the job very well and the space it fills is just right.
:
:My kitty seems to have her own opinion though.
:
:

1/18/2009 11:48:43 PMThomas Dermody
Well, Marv, I'm a stickler for originality. Until I actually tried those cones, I spent a lot of time searching for a company that sells traditional cones. They're hard to come by unless you order hundreds, or shell out $50+ for a speaker rebuild. I finally broke down and bought the cones (it was a very hard decision for me to make). They sound very nice (though the foam won't last as long as a traditional paper cone). They're priced very nicely! Also, from the rear side, the side you normally see when looking into a radio, they look very professional and almost vintage. Kind of looks like the rubber border that my Majestic speaker once had. They are worth a try, though they are more difficult to work with than a traditional cone since the rubber edge takes up extra space. However, if you have a broken speaker, try one out. You can always switch to a traditional cone at a future date.

Take a look at my Majestic chassis. It looks pretty good. I have other pictures of speakers I've redone, too, and they really look neat and attractive, even if not perfectly authentic.

T.

1/18/2009 11:50:07 PMThomas Dermody
Hmmm.... Maybe the Majestic isn't a good example. The felt edge wasn't cut straight. Also, the rear shot doesn't really give a close-up of the speaker. I'll have to post a closer view.

T.

1/18/2009 11:54:41 PMThomas Dermody
1/19/2009 12:29:34 AMMarv Nuce
Thomas,
Except for those completely disintegrated, I find repairing holes, tears etc, easy with appropriate attention to the dynamics of the task, appropriate tools, glues etc, and set remains original. As for the the foam rolls, I try to restore, rather than remake. Most of these old radios had poor sound reproduction because of electronics, speakers and economics, but with my tin ear, they all sound equally bad/good, but I don't want to change history. Foam rolls no doubt, can enhance speaker dynamics. As for the jute rope spacer, I've spent untold hours re-glueing thin layers of cardboard to retain the original thick spacer. Even semi-rigid plastic foam (painted) would have been a better choice than jute rope.

marv

:Well, Marv, I'm a stickler for originality. Until I actually tried those cones, I spent a lot of time searching for a company that sells traditional cones. They're hard to come by unless you order hundreds, or shell out $50+ for a speaker rebuild. I finally broke down and bought the cones (it was a very hard decision for me to make). They sound very nice (though the foam won't last as long as a traditional paper cone). They're priced very nicely! Also, from the rear side, the side you normally see when looking into a radio, they look very professional and almost vintage. Kind of looks like the rubber border that my Majestic speaker once had. They are worth a try, though they are more difficult to work with than a traditional cone since the rubber edge takes up extra space. However, if you have a broken speaker, try one out. You can always switch to a traditional cone at a future date.
:
:Take a look at my Majestic chassis. It looks pretty good. I have other pictures of speakers I've redone, too, and they really look neat and attractive, even if not perfectly authentic.
:
:T.

1/19/2009 12:49:38 AMPeter G. Balazsy
As for the jute rope spacer, I've spent untold hours re-glueing thin layers of cardboard to retain the original thick spacer. Even semi-rigid plastic foam (painted) would have been a better choice than jute rope.
:

Hey Marv..
I don't strive to retain the original exactly.. or at all...
I feel that I'll restore it functionally and retain the general essence
... then make it sound well too... within reason.

This way the restored radio will get more use and longer appreciation I feel.

As far as the hemp circle speaker's looks goes...
Hey... I didn't say it was "beautiful" I said it does the job well.. that's it.

To each his own...lol !! Right?
That's what makes the world go round... even my cat took a little exception.

AND... for what its worth Marv.. you may have married a homely-looking woman and I may not like what your wife looks like .....even though she may do the job well... right?
But that's your burden... lol
...what's nice looking to you may not suit me.. right?

1/19/2009 1:23:03 PMMarv Nuce
Peter,
It's good you're thinking "out of the box", but just thought your choice of jute rope was a little too far out, completely foreign to the radio era and basically ugly. As for the dials, good job, but I'll comtinue to restore vs remake.

marv

: As for the jute rope spacer, I've spent untold hours re-glueing thin layers of cardboard to retain the original thick spacer. Even semi-rigid plastic foam (painted) would have been a better choice than jute rope.
::
:
:Hey Marv..
:I don't strive to retain the original exactly.. or at all...
:I feel that I'll restore it functionally and retain the general essence
:... then make it sound well too... within reason.
:
:This way the restored radio will get more use and longer appreciation I feel.
:
:As far as the hemp circle speaker's looks goes...
: Hey... I didn't say it was "beautiful" I said it does the job well.. that's it.
:
:To each his own...lol !! Right?
: That's what makes the world go round... even my cat took a little exception.
:
:AND... for what its worth Marv.. you may have married a homely-looking woman and I may not like what your wife looks like .....even though she may do the job well... right?
:But that's your burden... lol
:...what's nice looking to you may not suit me.. right?
:

1/19/2009 2:31:22 PMmacgyver
yellow metallized film capacitors were foreign to the radio era also. what kind of caps do you use in your radios marv?

:Peter,
:It's good you're thinking "out of the box", but just thought your choice of jute rope was a little too far out, completely foreign to the radio era and basically ugly. As for the dials, good job, but I'll comtinue to restore vs remake.
:
:marv

1/19/2009 2:32:11 PMWarren
It would seem to me this is just a hobby. Each person is the soul owner of there radio. If you feel you want to paint it pink with red polka dots, you can .. It's also the inventive mind to come up with a workable repair.
Many OEM parts your not going to get anymore. That's what makes this hobby unique, as to come up with an interesting " make do " .. As for the hemp speaker thing, what's so wrong with that? I have used 57 chevy cork rocker cover gaskets to make the same thing. I guess it's now an AC Delco hybrid ?
2/2/2009 4:50:33 PM .
:It would seem to me this is just a hobby. Each person is the soul owner of there radio. If you feel you want to paint it pink with red polka dots, you can .. It's also the inventive mind to come up with a workable repair.
:Many OEM parts your not going to get anymore. That's what makes this hobby unique, as to come up with an interesting " make do " .. As for the hemp speaker thing, what's so wrong with that? I have used 57 chevy cork rocker cover gaskets to make the same thing. I guess it's now an AC Delco hybrid ?
1/19/2009 2:32:30 PMWarren
It would seem to me this is just a hobby. Each person is the soul owner of there radio. If you feel you want to paint it pink with red polka dots, you can .. It's also the inventive mind to come up with a workable repair.
Many OEM parts your not going to get anymore. That's what makes this hobby unique, as to come up with an interesting " make do " .. As for the hemp speaker thing, what's so wrong with that? I have used 57 chevy cork rocker cover gaskets to make the same thing. I guess it's now an AC Delco hybrid ?
1/19/2009 8:16:10 PMPeter G. Balazsy
Hey Warren:
I really like that valve cover gasket idea too.
thanks...lol
1/20/2009 1:40:18 AMWarren
Guess I should have said to get the 57 Chevy rocker cover gasket for the 235 In line 6 cylinder. Nice and long. Use an Exacto knife to chop small triangles as you work it around the frame. All butts together just fine.
And it don't have to be a Delco radio ! lol
1/19/2009 6:01:38 PMbob
:Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :Well I did some shopping at the crafts store yesterday, searching for a good substitute for the cardboard speaker ring.
:
:I didn't find any cork or felt!
:
: I tried to find a circle-cutter there to cut mat too board but they didn't have one.
:
:Then I tried to find some fiber or cardboard-paper type upholstery welting or cording.
:
:Again they had none. What I saw that seemed good was the rolled paper, cord-like handles on shopping bags.
:It's very tough and flexible.
:But I only saw it on shopping bags.. no rolls of it.
:
:Out of frustration I saw a roll of narrow gauge hemp. So as an experiment I tried it.
:
:Well it's a very good size ....and fits the job very well ....though it kinda looks a bit goofy.
:I used white glue to fix it in place and I used a white glue slurry to paint it with to keep it from fraying and looking bad.
:
:So well.. now.. it's in there doing the job very well and the space it fills is just right.
:
:My kitty seems to have her own opinion though.
:
:
1/19/2009 8:17:25 PMPeter G. Balazsy
::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.

Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?

1/20/2009 7:08:25 AMTonyJ
:::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
:
:Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
:

I just thought of another idea - if what is being accomplished is an "acoustical seal" somewhat, what about the self adhesive weather stripping on the inside of the radio cabinet? I know those come in different widths and some may be flexible enough to conform to the radius needed to match the speaker.

1/20/2009 10:26:12 AMbob
:::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
:
:Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/21/2009 6:19:37 AMGOOD GOD ENOUGH ALREADY!! TIME TO MOVE ON!!!
::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
::
::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
:: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/21/2009 3:34:59 PMMarv Nuce
ggeattmo,
Agree!! So much ado 'bout a small length of jute rope. Will this never end????

marv

:::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
:::
:::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
::: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1/21/2009 6:30:49 PMbob
: SORRRRRRRY! But I did not complain about the rope. I only offered an alternative way of doing this. If it is of no interest to you why make negative comments? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ :ggeattmo,
:Agree!! So much ado 'bout a small length of jute rope. Will this never end????
:
:marv
:
::::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
::::
::::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
:::: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/21/2009 8:11:40 PMPeter G. Balazsy
A thread and it's replies ought to continue as long as people wish to post relevant on-going replies.

What's the difference how long it is?

Why does the length of a thread bother anyone?

Makes no sense to me. If you don't have anything positive to post then simply move on to the next topic.

Get a grip!

1/22/2009 1:04:14 AMMarv Nuce
I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.

marv

:A thread and it's replies ought to continue as long as people wish to post relevant on-going replies.
:
:What's the difference how long it is?
:
:Why does the length of a thread bother anyone?
:
:Makes no sense to me. If you don't have anything positive to post then simply move on to the next topic.
:
:Get a grip!
:

1/22/2009 1:11:45 AMPeter G. Balazsy
:I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
:Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.
:
:marv

Dear Marv buddy:

Don't go reading into things that aren't there...lol

I meant exactly what I said.

" Threads should be as long as folks wish to contribute" and ...
"why does the length of a post bother anyone?"

And as far as YOUR work goes... why not display it and "show" us.

That's it. Plain and simple.

1/22/2009 2:43:02 AMJUST SHUT UP
Ok you need to shut up and stop bragging everytime you restore a radio...MY GOD just use a fricken piece of card stock board you can buy at Walmart and cut out enough circles to make right thickness...
ENOUGH SAID


::I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
::Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.
::
::marv
:
:Dear Marv buddy:
:
:Don't go reading into things that aren't there...lol
:
:I meant exactly what I said.
:
:" Threads should be as long as folks wish to contribute" and ...
:"why does the length of a post bother anyone?"
:
:And as far as YOUR work goes... why not display it and "show" us.
:
:That's it. Plain and simple.
:
:

1/22/2009 4:35:44 AMPeter G. Balazsy
:Ok you need to shut up and stop bragging everytime you restore a radio...MY GOD just use a fricken piece of card stock board you can buy at Walmart and cut out enough circles to make right thickness...
:ENOUGH SAID
:

Oh the coward you are.. lol
Your RUDE lack of intellect really shows through too...lol
Get a life... what a looser.

1/22/2009 9:11:31 AMRope-a-dope
:Oh the coward you are.. lol
:Your RUDE lack of intellect really shows through too...lol
:Get a life... what a looser.
--------
What's with all the saber-rattling and fake bravado? What does it really matter if someone posts their real name or email address? Are you going to look them up, make the trip and punch them out? I think not. Such thinly-veiled (but impotent) threats are getting laughable.....Would it not be best to ignore disagreeable comments rather than egg them on and extend an already obtuse thread???(PS - It's "LOSER"....)
1/22/2009 5:33:02 PMThis Is what makes it fun
The original topic was silly, the responses got silly, and the silliness makes it fun.


::Oh the coward you are.. lol
::Your RUDE lack of intellect really shows through too...lol
::Get a life... what a looser.
:--------
:What's with all the saber-rattling and fake bravado? What does it really matter if someone posts their real name or email address? Are you going to look them up, make the trip and punch them out? I think not. Such thinly-veiled (but impotent) threats are getting laughable.....Would it not be best to ignore disagreeable comments rather than egg them on and extend an already obtuse thread???(PS - It's "LOSER"....)

1/22/2009 6:20:53 PMi got your funny right here
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:The original topic was silly, the responses got silly, and the silliness makes it fun.
:
:
:::Oh the coward you are.. lol
:::Your RUDE lack of intellect really shows through too...lol
:::Get a life... what a looser.
::--------
::What's with all the saber-rattling and fake bravado? What does it really matter if someone posts their real name or email address? Are you going to look them up, make the trip and punch them out? I think not. Such thinly-veiled (but impotent) threats are getting laughable.....Would it not be best to ignore disagreeable comments rather than egg them on and extend an already obtuse thread???(PS - It's "LOSER"....)

1/23/2009 7:56:26 PMLewis L
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:m
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:youknowhat
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::The original topic was silly, the responses got silly, and the silliness makes it fun.
::
::
::::Oh the coward you are.. lol
::::Your RUDE lack of intellect really shows through too...lol
::::Get a life... what a looser.
:::--------
:::What's with all the saber-rattling and fake bravado? What does it really matter if someone posts their real name or email address? Are you going to look them up, make the trip and punch them out? I think not. Such thinly-veiled (but impotent) threats are getting laughable.....Would it not be best to ignore disagreeable comments rather than egg them on and extend an already obtuse thread???(PS - It's "LOSER"....)

Dear Chicken to use yur own name:
If you don't like the posts, or think people have spent too much time on a silly subject, just DON'T OPEN THE DAMN THING and go somewhere else. You are not held in a cell and forced to read the things we send and discuss. Go somewhere else and find happiness.
Lewis

1/23/2009 11:22:42 PMMarv Nuce
Peter,
Your work and photo ops are outstanding, but please don't use this forum as your personal advertising agency. That horn you are blowing has become a little too loud. Your ebay success (as noted by you) is to be commended, but I refuse to clutter this forum with photos of my latest restoration, but rather a text based discussion for those who choose to read. My email address is contained within this posting, and will be glad to post .jpgs of my work, within limits. I'm not involved with Face Book, My Space, Photo Bucket or any other social web sites. I choose to keep my personal endeavors within the confines of my abode, and occassionally this forum. I have a small following of fans (professionals) that deem my restorations, crafts and handy work first class, but I don't try to overwhelm anyone with anything except tried n true methods. As a retired EE, with a wood fetish and an artistic flair, I can cover a lot of bases.

marv

::I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
::Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.
::
::marv
:
:Dear Marv buddy:
:
:Don't go reading into things that aren't there...lol
:
:I meant exactly what I said.
:
:" Threads should be as long as folks wish to contribute" and ...
:"why does the length of a post bother anyone?"
:
:And as far as YOUR work goes... why not display it and "show" us.
:
:That's it. Plain and simple.
:
:

1/24/2009 2:10:02 AMPeter G. Balazsy
:Peter,
:Your work and photo ops are outstanding, but please don't use this forum as your personal advertising agency. That horn you are blowing has become a little too loud. Your ebay success (as noted by you) is to be commended, but I refuse to clutter this forum with photos of my latest restoration, but rather a text based discussion for those who choose to read. My email address is contained within this posting, and will be glad to post .jpgs of my work, within limits. I'm not involved with Face Book, My Space, Photo Bucket or any other social web sites. I choose to keep my personal endeavors within the confines of my abode, and occassionally this forum. I have a small following of fans (professionals) that deem my restorations, crafts and handy work first class, but I don't try to overwhelm anyone with anything except tried n true methods. As a retired EE, with a wood fetish and an artistic flair, I can cover a lot of bases.
:
:marv
:

Marv:
You are waaay off base!

How goofy can you get?

If you don't like doing something ...like looking at my completed projects.. then I invite you to stop torturing yourself and don't do it..lol

Who are YOU to try to dictate exact Forum related content??

If you aren't interested in looking at my completed projects.. nobody is FORCING you to open my posts. Right?
So I invite you to move on by.

How do you interpret my sharing completed radio restoration project pictures on the forum as "using it for a personal advertising agency"??

I don't try to to sell or advertise ANYTHING here.
When and where did you ever see me offer ANYTHING ever for sale ???

You know I don't ever do that.

I share my completed projects with those that are interested in seeing and learning and sharing in the ideas.

Nobody forces you to look. Why do you? Huh? Huh? Huh?

Just because you personally have nothing to contribute yourself does not mean that you should be-rate or criticize those of us who do.

Just save yourself grief and don't look at my posts.

lol lol lol

1/24/2009 2:17:54 AMPeter G. Balazsy
:Peter,
:Your work and photo ops are outstanding,

Photo op? I don't do "photo ops"...lol
I merely display photos. That is NOT a "photo op"

When a celebrity or politician invites the press to take pictures of them... that is a "photo op"

Obviously you don't understand the term:
photo op
noun
an occasion that lends itself to (or is deliberately arranged for) taking photographs that provide favorable publicity for those who are photographed [syn: photo opportunity]

1/24/2009 8:02:49 AMthis is longer than the koronette thread LOL
::Peter,
::Your work and photo ops are outstanding,
:
:Photo op? I don't do "photo ops"...lol
:I merely display photos. That is NOT a "photo op"
:
:When a celebrity or politician invites the press to take pictures of them... that is a "photo op"
:
:Obviously you don't understand the term:
:photo op
:noun
:an occasion that lends itself to (or is deliberately arranged for) taking photographs that provide favorable publicity for those who are photographed [syn: photo opportunity]
:
:
1/24/2009 9:12:40 AMDr. Fill
I much prefer the Koronette thread (lol).... enough of this febile blow and banter between worn-out old radio relics (who would likely have trouble pulling out a loctal without a pair of vice-grips and a pry bar). Give us something new - or go somewhere else. At least have the decency to propagate your silly quarrels via private email rather than waste space on this public forum - your audience grows weary..... grow up you guys.
1/22/2009 1:32:59 PMMarv Nuce
Oh what wonderous webs we weave, when trying to deceive. Not my original.

marv

:I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
:Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.
:
:marv
:
::A thread and it's replies ought to continue as long as people wish to post relevant on-going replies.
::
::What's the difference how long it is?
::
::Why does the length of a thread bother anyone?
::
::Makes no sense to me. If you don't have anything positive to post then simply move on to the next topic.
::
::Get a grip!
::

1/24/2009 8:28:40 AMG. Berg ..UMM HELLO...THIS FORUM REVOLVES AROUND ME!!!
Ok ok.. I think you all need to be reminded that this forum revolves around me...I mean really come-on....Do I have to bring up the forum on phono cartridges again?? (OK I AM JUST JOKING HERE...NOT SERIOUS...LOL )


:Oh what wonderous webs we weave, when trying to deceive. Not my original.
:
:marv
:
::I am certainly amused, but uncertain about the basis/content of the last two postings. Is it, (1)"Shut up", (2)"have a nice day" or (3)"go away"
::Please make a choice at your next posting. Votes will be counted at the end of the month, posted and recorded with the Library of Congress for future generations to marvel at the technical content of this Forum, and that of their forebearers.
::
::marv
::
:::A thread and it's replies ought to continue as long as people wish to post relevant on-going replies.
:::
:::What's the difference how long it is?
:::
:::Why does the length of a thread bother anyone?
:::
:::Makes no sense to me. If you don't have anything positive to post then simply move on to the next topic.
:::
:::Get a grip!
:::

1/24/2009 9:36:30 AMbob
:(small length of jute rope?) It looks like everyone had enough rope to hang themselves with this one!! LOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :ggeattmo,
:Agree!! So much ado 'bout a small length of jute rope. Will this never end????
:
:marv
:
::::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
::::
::::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
:::: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/25/2009 6:41:22 PMken
::(small length of jute rope?) It looks like everyone had enough rope to hang themselves with this one!! LOL ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :ggeattmo,
::Agree!! So much ado 'bout a small length of jute rope. Will this never end????
::
::marv
::
:::::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
:::::
:::::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
::::: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/25/2009 6:45:14 PMken
:::(small length of jute rope?) It looks like everyone had enough rope to hang themselves with this one!! LOL Maybe it's too obvious, but when I used one of those cones I just took the cardboard ring out to my drill press with a large diameter sanding drum and carefully sanded the I.D. down until it fit properly. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- :ggeattmo,
:::Agree!! So much ado 'bout a small length of jute rope. Will this never end????
:::
:::marv
:::
::::::::Hi! This is a little out there but hydraulic supply stores carry both round and square cut "O" rings which you can either buy in the correct size or cut down a larger size to what you need. They are usually very inexpensive.
::::::
::::::Wow... another interesting idea too... do you think it will take glue well?
:::::: ;Yes, there is one glue that works for sure and that is automotive weatherstrip adhesive.(auto supply stores) Clean the "O"ring with a fast evaporating solvent first. i.e. alcohol, paint thinner etc. Also I think dollar store contact adhesive should work. You could also paint them to look like cardboard or leave them inconspicuous in black matching the speaker cone.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1/25/2009 8:24:15 PMPeter G. Balazsy
Maybe it's too obvious, but when I used one of those cones I just took the cardboard ring out to my drill press with a large diameter sanding drum and carefully sanded the I.D. down until it fit properly.


Thanks Ken:
Yes I'm sure that would work too. It's a good idea if you have those tools.

Mine broke in sections as it came out and then when I tried to cut mine narrower it just crumbled.

2/4/2009 11:10:01 AMLewis L
: Maybe it's too obvious, but when I used one of those cones I just took the cardboard ring out to my drill press with a large diameter sanding drum and carefully sanded the I.D. down until it fit properly.
:
:
:Thanks Ken:
:Yes I'm sure that would work too. It's a good idea if you have those tools.
:
:Mine broke in sections as it came out and then when I tried to cut mine narrower it just crumbled.
:


Peter G.:
Starting to weatherstrip my house, as winter has finally arrived, I went to the ACE hardware store and bought some "M-D Foam Tape Weatherstrip" for the doors and windows, part # 02311. Works good on doors and windows, might work on speakers. It is 1/2in x 3/4 in x 10 ft. The "sticky" is on the 3/4 in side, so we cut it to 3\8 in, and it sure stopped the air coming in from the doors, it is also fairly cheap, and it looks less goofy than hemp rope. Good luck.
Lewis.

2/6/2009 11:43:25 PMPeter G. Balazsy
Here are speaker gaskets all sizes right down to 6"

http://www.speakerworks.com/speaker_gaskets_s/71.htm

2/7/2009 12:42:53 AMThomas Dermody
You are awesome! I've been wanting a source for these! I just wish that they had the so common 5 inch size found in old radios.

T.



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