Wouldn't an antique cigar be too dry to light! LOL
Gary
:What provided the 1/2 inch or so blue spark in these old stand up in the wood box lighters? Thanks.
See this site: (copy and paste to your address bar)
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.antiquemystique.com/images/9021e.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.antiquemystique.com/pages/9021_jpg.htm&h=480&w=640&sz=76&hl=en&start=43&um=1&tbnid=sEvHAy7ziU7R9M:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dantique%2Bcigar%2Blighter%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4DKUS_enUS258US262%26sa%3DN
Reproduction cigar lighters of this type are still being made...
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.delmarfinecigars.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Electrolighter.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.delmarfinecigars.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc%3FScreen%3DPROD%26Store_Code%3DDMFC%26Product_Code%3DCSON-ELTCL-BO%26Category_Code%3DCL&h=482&w=320&sz=158&hl=en&start=7&um=1&tbnid=VlVW9lF43AiM0M:&tbnh=129&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dantique%2Bcigar%2Blighters%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26rlz%3D1T4DKUS_enUS258US262%26sa%3DN
I have never seen such, I can certainly see the innards and the electro
modus operandi…I was really sort of expecting to see an old model T coil
nestled down inside for the HV provision.
Now, can anyone fill in as to the lift off cylinder at the front with its frontal
finger tab and if that was containing a lighter fluid with that spark from the electrode above merely initially lighting a fluid / wick such that it was what lit the Cee-gar,
and did one then blow out the flame when thru lighting up?
Boy…. I can already see the potential for a mod on that unit such that when one hit the button, the customer would get lit up. . . . instead of the cigar .
Reproduction model ??? looks like the original to me.
73's de Edd
I think the biggest hint that those lighters I referenced in my second post are reproductions is the "quantity box" located nest to the item (you can order as many as you want). Highly collectable originals are few and far in between......
:Yep Edd - it contained a small spark coil that ran off a couple of large 1.5V dry cells - you can see the points on the coil pictured. A model T coil takes 6 volts - not practical and an overkill for this product! You are right, the chrome plated cylinder held lighter fluid and a wick - when released, the flame was snuffed out - no blowing required. A similar device is featured in the movie - "It's a Wonderful Life" - where a young George Bailey made a wish and then tried the lighter (in Mr. Gower's drug store). If it lit on the first try, the wish would come true!!!
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:I think the biggest hint that those lighters I referenced in my second post are reproductions is the "quantity box" located nest to the item (you can order as many as you want). Highly collectable originals are few and far in between......
:Yep Edd - it contained a small spark coil that ran off a couple of large 1.5V dry cells - you can see the points on the coil pictured. A model T coil takes 6 volts - not practical and an overkill for this product! You are right, the chrome plated cylinder held lighter fluid and a wick - when released, the flame was snuffed out - no blowing required. A similar device is featured in the movie - "It's a Wonderful Life" - where a young George Bailey made a wish and then tried the lighter (in Mr. Gower's drug store). If it lit on the first try, the wish would come true!!!
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:I think the biggest hint that those lighters I referenced in my second post are reproductions is the "quantity box" located nest to the item (you can order as many as you want). Highly collectable originals are few and far in between......
:PL,
:I almost posted a pic with labels, arrows, etc.... but hey, that's just too much effort for a Saturday night. Easiest solution - rent "It's a Wonderful Life" and watch the first 30 minutes or so. A similar lighter is demonstrated beautifully - a video is worth 10,000 words - and since some of the movie depicts winter months, it might help cool off a hot summer....
OK now . . . . with the supplied info that one did not have to blow out the flame, then this is the way that I perceive of the unit functioning.
In looking at the first photo. . . .and here in the sequence is the equivalency of 40,000 words. . . . one sees the electrical internals, with the orange
wire going up to the floating screw on the lid used as a terminal black and routing on up to the crude switch wire assembly. But, that was the way that they sometimes electro crafted, back in the early years of electricity.
Note the spring assembly [Yellow markup box] at the top that holds tension on the lighter barrel assembly on topside.
The whole unit is cantilevered and pivots at the red circle / marked rivet. The whole top metal assembly is getting a
pass through electrical connection via the green arrow referenced terminal lug and its pass through screw. Its tattered wire then
passes down to the spark coil primary connection. The other primary connection to the coil comes up and is the yellow arrow referenced wire that then connects to the other battery terminal.
Check the zinc- carbon battery and the yellow reference box...certainly doesn't seem to read 1.5 VDC nor 6 VDC.
Also reference the yellow arrow, where I mentioned the model T coil influenced spark coil design, with its interrupter adjustment
screw [Magenta Arrow], with the swinging reed contact catching its magnetic influenced action from the coil cores end.
The high voltage passes thru its tattered cambric sleeve and makes a stop on the wooden top at a floating terminal lug and then continues up through the metal housing and terminates up behind the insulator [Hot Pink Arrow] of the top spark electrode assembly.
I assume that the top fuel barrel has a coiled up internal wick routed up thru the right protrusion at the top while the
left protrusion [Brown Arrow] would be a friction fit filler cap plug for the provision of the addition of lighter fluid into the drum.
Now, the lighting action. . . . one presses down on the frontal protruding lever and the whole barrel assembly cantilevers down,
as per the third pics depiction, with the switch closing and activating the spark stream at the top and the ignition of the wick.
At the time of the release of the lever, the spring loaded barrel then swings closed such that the close proximity of the wick to
a massive cold body will no longer permit combustion, and the flame extinguishes.
Thassit. . . . .
Photo referencing:
73's de Edd
Your deductions are on the mark as to the mechanical action, the switching (crude bare wires touching) mechanism, and the snuffing out of the flame when under the HV terminal support arm. The battery shown is a 12v lantern battery - certainly overkill that could damage the coil and foul the points of the interrupter - this is someone's questionable attempt to get it working but I wouldn't suggest it long term. Those 12v Eveready beauties (as well as the orange plastic wire!) didn't even exist when this lighter was made - it was intended to be powered by a couple of large 1.5v dry cells (commonly used in telephones, radios, door bells, etc. of the era). The relative 'tallness' of the case was to accomodate these batteries....
Many dealers seem to be offering the same reproduction, not clear who the actual manufacturer is, but it's clearly the same one providing all the units, as the photos and choice of wood finish and metal finish are exactly the same options everywhere, although the prices vary. One of them says it's a reproduction of an "Eldred Wireless #12" whatever that is.
You can see the same unit at all the following sites:
http://www.bcspecialties.com/cigarasp/antique_lighter.asp
http://www.indianhead.cc/accessories.htm
http://www.bonitasmokeshop.com/antique_styled_cigar_lighters_an.htm
http://www.delmarfinecigars.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=DMFC&Product_Code=CSON-ELTCL-BO&Category_Code=CL