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Arvin resistor question
4/10/2008 11:23:26 AMFred
Recently purchased two little Arvin radios.
I recapped the first one and it hums but doesn't pickup any stations. I have a 4 foot antenna connected to it. The tag showing the model number is half gone. It shows a model number of 4. I think it’s a model 442. The chassis number is was there, RE-91. I have started checking the resistors and found it has a flexible resistor from pin 4 of the 50L6 to pin 8 of the 35Z5. The resistor measures about 1900 ohms. However this does not match the cloth color code. The "A" color looks more like a light tan and the "B" color is black. I looked at two schematics on the site but neither appears to completely match this radio. I think its resistor R-242 with a value of 2000 ohms. I tried comparing it to the second Arvin. However the tag showing the model number lists the same tubes, but the chassis has the miniature tubes and is completely different. Sadly when they cut the power cord they also cut the oscillator coil in this radio. Any help would be appreciated.
4/10/2008 11:37:28 AMDoug Criner
Fred - the difference between 1.9-K and 2.0-K ohms is negligible. Your problem must lie elsewhere.

Best to recheck all your work to be sure that you didn't make a wiring error, which is very easy to do. Next, check all the voltages at the tube bins and check coils for continuity.
Doug


:Recently purchased two little Arvin radios.
:I recapped the first one and it hums but doesn't pickup any stations. I have a 4 foot antenna connected to it. The tag showing the model number is half gone. It shows a model number of 4. I think it’s a model 442. The chassis number is was there, RE-91. I have started checking the resistors and found it has a flexible resistor from pin 4 of the 50L6 to pin 8 of the 35Z5. The resistor measures about 1900 ohms. However this does not match the cloth color code. The "A" color looks more like a light tan and the "B" color is black. I looked at two schematics on the site but neither appears to completely match this radio. I think its resistor R-242 with a value of 2000 ohms. I tried comparing it to the second Arvin. However the tag showing the model number lists the same tubes, but the chassis has the miniature tubes and is completely different. Sadly when they cut the power cord they also cut the oscillator coil in this radio. Any help would be appreciated.
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4/10/2008 5:27:25 PMEdd














In looking at probably a close enough schematic of you set to work with, as is referenced below, that set is probably incorporating two of the~ 1 watt ''grub worm '' flexible power resistors. One is located off pin # 7 of the 35Z5 going up to the 12SA7 in the series filamental string , to make up for the dedicated I.F. tube not being incorporated on your set.


Their color coding may be intact with one color being placed on one crimped end connector and the others being on the center '' fabric '' area of the units. With time, gradually heat-fading, that units Red-Red-Red color codings of red will now assuredly have made its initial transition to a shade of brown and then yet another eventual transition to black.


That one 2.2K resistor which you are mentioning of interest, is the B+ filtering / dropping resistor that takes the raw B+ and drops it down to the sub B+ level to feed the screen grid of the AF out tube, the 12SA7 mixer tube …via the sets sole I.F. transformer, and a line that is further dropped in level to fed the plate of the 6SQ7 1st audio stage.
It is connected between the two sections of the filter cap and probably had to incorporate a chassis terminal lug at the C10 electrolytic, but at its other side I would have thought that with the connection being to the I.F. transformer, THAT would be the point where someone might have hacked a connection and not way down /over at the oscillator coil, which does not take a direct B+ connection, its power being tube derived.


Lastly…..looking inside the rear up at the antenna coil mounted just to the left of the speaker… is the hank of double cotton covered antenna wire still intact at its full length or has some '' shyster '' made off with it and left you but a mere short stub of wire ?... lol..

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4/10/2008 10:11:17 PMFred
Thanks for the replies

I probably confused the problem talking about two radios in the same posting.
The Arvin Model 422 I have is very similar to
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/514/M0012514.pdf

It hums but doesn't pickup any stations.
It only has one flexible resistor R242 from pin 4 of the 50L6 to pin 8 of the 35Z5. It reads OK but is very brittle and the wires are exposed. I plan to replace it will a 2k, 1watt. Should it be replaced with a wire wound or carbon? I traced most of the wiring and found no errors. There is a connection from the 2k flexible resistor to the IF. I found that resistor R171, 15M is open. The antenna coil shows continuity, but the antenna wire is only 4 feet long. How long should the wire be to receive any stations?
I appreciate all your help.

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:In looking at probably a close enough schematic of you set to work with, as is referenced below, that set is probably incorporating two of the~ 1 watt ''grub worm '' flexible power resistors. One is located off pin # 7 of the 35Z5 going up to the 12SA7 in the series filamental string , to make up for the dedicated I.F. tube not being incorporated on your set.
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:Their color coding may be intact with one color being placed on one crimped end connector and the others being on the center '' fabric '' area of the units. With time, gradually heat-fading, that units Red-Red-Red color codings of red will now assuredly have made its initial transition to a shade of brown and then yet another eventual transition to black.
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:That one 2.2K resistor which you are mentioning of interest, is the B+ filtering / dropping resistor that takes the raw B+ and drops it down to the sub B+ level to feed the screen grid of the AF out tube, the 12SA7 mixer tube …via the sets sole I.F. transformer, and a line that is further dropped in level to fed the plate of the 6SQ7 1st audio stage.
::It is connected between the two sections of the filter cap and probably had to incorporate a chassis terminal lug at the C10 electrolytic, but at its other side I would have thought that with the connection being to the I.F. transformer, THAT would be the point where someone might have hacked a connection and not way down /over at the oscillator coil, which does not take a direct B+ connection, its power being tube derived.
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4/11/2008 5:25:55 PMEdd












I would image that unit has passed a lot of heat thru the years, and I guess that with a unit of that 1 watt category, and being an even 2k value, that my device of choice would be a 2 watt metal film unit.


As per the 15 meg grid resistor on the 1st grid of the 1st AF stage being open, it should not be a cause for making your set inoperative, as it would develop its own grid bias at low volume levels.

BUT, as soon as any significant volume increase is initiated, it would then be bias deficient and the sound would start clipping and present a choppy and mushy audio reproduction.


If the set is completely dead excluding the filaments lighting, check for B+ voltage presence along all of the points of the red and orange markup that I provided, as well as right at the plates and screen grids of the tubes.

The antenna wire length is dependent on the number and strength of the stations nearby. Stronger stations coming in OK but the distant ones needing a bit of assistance from the additional wiring pickup.
I believe that your set is in a plastic cabinet, and the antenna coil is going to be picking up from its coils proper being RF exposed …BUT…. that set was marketed for several other brands and some of them were using a metal cabinet housing and that just really knocked reception completely unless the antenna wire hank was strung out.


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