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Update on Zenith 6s 147, 157 chassis 5634
4/3/2008 3:50:00 PMSean
Hello I have recapped the radio now. Tuned it to a strong am station and I can get some volume but when I turn it up, it squeals. Im wondering if it just needs trimmer cap adjustment. I also dont even know what the adjustment onthe back of the chassis is for to the left of the antenna terminals. The actuall compent inside the chassis looks like porcelin with a coil on top of it. The adjustment screw sticks out of the back of the chassis. Although heres a thought. I want to keep the old capacitors installed so I left one lead of each of them still attatched. Because I want to melt the old cap wax out, put the new cap inside, and re fill it with wax. Think that could cause problems with one lead of the old cap still soldered in? I did that cause I didnt wanna forget where the caps went.
4/3/2008 4:39:53 PMEdd









Your Unidentified Chassis Object is a wave-trap combo, and in current times, not particularly of any reception altering consequence, unless you are in the far Northeast or in the far Northwest areas and MIGHT occasionally receive a couple of offending signals at times. I know that I did in the Seattle area in the past.


It’s hard to immediately evaluate on your squeaky-squeaky effect, as it could be power supply, RF stage, AF stage decoupling or even poor shielding / grounding induced.


Lets make a start with shorting the Rf signal input grid of the 6A8 to ground via the grid cap atop it.
and then you run up the volume to see if the spurious squealing has now stopped at all positions of the volume control.


If not complete, then move down one stage to the 6K7 I.F. amplifier stage and do the same to it.
If you are still getting a squeal, that roughly suggests the problem to be on down line from the RF circuitry.

Your short "marker wires" should be causing no problems.



Standing by for results….


73's de Edd





4/3/2008 6:34:17 PMDoug Criner
I'm not quite ready to exonerate the dangling caps that were left in place. Lead dress is sometimes important, and those dangling caps might act as antennas for creating RF feedback? RF could be going through those dangling caps like shelled cord through a goose.

Was this set squealing before the recap?
Doug

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:Your Unidentified Chassis Object is a wave-trap combo, and in current times, not particularly of any reception altering consequence, unless you are in the far Northeast or in the far Northwest areas and MIGHT occasionally receive a couple of offending signals at times. I know that I did in the Seattle area in the past.
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:It’s hard to immediately evaluate on your squeaky-squeaky effect, as it could be power supply, RF stage, AF stage decoupling or even poor shielding / grounding induced.
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:Lets make a start with shorting the Rf signal input grid of the 6A8 to ground via the grid cap atop it.
:and then you run up the volume to see if the spurious squealing has now stopped at all positions of the volume control.
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:If not complete, then move down one stage to the 6K7 I.F. amplifier stage and do the same to it.
:If you are still getting a squeal, that roughly suggests the problem to be on down line from the RF circuitry.
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:Your short "marker wires" should be causing no problems.
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:Standing by for results….
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:73's de Edd

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4/4/2008 1:38:28 AMsean
:I'm not quite ready to exonerate the dangling caps that were left in place. Lead dress is sometimes important, and those dangling caps might act as antennas for creating RF feedback? RF could be going through those dangling caps like shelled cord through a goose.
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:Was this set squealing before the recap?
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:Well yes it was very similiar before I recapped it. Turning up the volume would make it produce a loud audio signal distorted. Now the sould is not as distorted but still very annoying
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::It’s hard to immediately evaluate on your squeaky-squeaky effect, as it could be power supply, RF stage, AF stage decoupling or even poor shielding / grounding induced.
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::Lets make a start with shorting the Rf signal input grid of the 6A8 to ground via the grid cap atop it.
::and then you run up the volume to see if the spurious squealing has now stopped at all positions of the volume control.
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::If not complete, then move down one stage to the 6K7 I.F. amplifier stage and do the same to it.
::If you are still getting a squeal, that roughly suggests the problem to be on down line from the RF circuitry.
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::Your short "marker wires" should be causing no problems.
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::Standing by for results….
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::73's de Edd

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4/4/2008 2:27:20 AM Sean
:Well Edd I did your test and shorting either 6a8 or 6k7 kills all audio out the speaker. When I turn it up, I get no audio at all other than the typicial hum these old radios produce.
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:Your Unidentified Chassis Object is a wave-trap combo, and in current times, not particularly of any reception altering consequence, unless you are in the far Northeast or in the far Northwest areas and MIGHT occasionally receive a couple of offending signals at times. I know that I did in the Seattle area in the past.
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:It’s hard to immediately evaluate on your squeaky-squeaky effect, as it could be power supply, RF stage, AF stage decoupling or even poor shielding / grounding induced.
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:Lets make a start with shorting the Rf signal input grid of the 6A8 to ground via the grid cap atop it.
:and then you run up the volume to see if the spurious squealing has now stopped at all positions of the volume control.
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:If not complete, then move down one stage to the 6K7 I.F. amplifier stage and do the same to it.
:If you are still getting a squeal, that roughly suggests the problem to be on down line from the RF circuitry.
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:Your short "marker wires" should be causing no problems.
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:73's de Edd

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4/3/2008 8:16:49 PMSteve - W9DX
Sean: do you have the alignment procedure for this set? If not, I can e-mail it to you. It will identify all your trimmer and padder locations. You'll probably want to align it after you've finished your part replacements.
Steve
4/4/2008 1:36:45 AMsean
:Sean: do you have the alignment procedure for this set? If not, I can e-mail it to you. It will identify all your trimmer and padder locations. You'll probably want to align it after you've finished your part replacements.
:Steve
:No I dont have the alignment procedures, that would be great.
4/4/2008 8:29:12 AMSteve - W9DX
PDF file on its way! Good luck with your project.
Steve
4/4/2008 5:58:46 PMEdd









The test seems to indicate your problem t be RF / IF related and not power supply or final audio induced antics.

I just read right over the “whole capacitor dangling “scenario…was only thinking of clipped “marker” wire leads.
That extra baggage of stray capacitance and coupling could be a problem in the IF and RF stages.
Try getting the
radio doin’ its ‘thang with the volume left up and then fondly stroke and caress the capacitors on the afore mentioned
areas to see if there is ANY transition in the squeal coming from the radio. That added stray hand capacitance, as well as the components positioning should then answer your query as per the criticality of those floating components.

Lastly, since you were going to be doing an alignment anyhow, and if not done yet, how’s about marking the screw slot positions of the of the 4 I.F. transformer adjustments and make a ¼ turn cw, then a ½ turn ccw and then a ¼ turn back to get you back to the very same initial starting point and see if your squeal abated, transitioned or disappeared completely. Then try the other half of the transformer the same way.

And then do the same to the remaining transformer. I am suspecting one to have had a major affect on your problem.


You are then left to do a full IF alignment…but this might have pointed you to the criticality of one particular adjustment area.


73's de Edd






4/5/2008 10:20:23 PMsean
:Hello, I took out all the old caps to restore later. I then played with every adjustment known to man on this radio and no more squeal. I peaked all the adjustments and then tried it...no more squeal.
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:The test seems to indicate your problem t be RF / IF related and not power supply or final audio induced antics.
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:I just read right over the “whole capacitor dangling “scenario…was only thinking of clipped “marker” wire leads.
:That extra baggage of stray capacitance and coupling could be a problem in the IF and RF stages.
:Try getting the
:radio doin’ its ‘thang with the volume left up and then fondly stroke and caress the capacitors on the afore mentioned
:areas to see if there is ANY transition in the squeal coming from the radio. That added stray hand capacitance, as well as the components positioning should then answer your query as per the criticality of those floating components.
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:Lastly, since you were going to be doing an alignment anyhow, and if not done yet, how’s about marking the screw slot positions of the of the 4 I.F. transformer adjustments and make a ¼ turn cw, then a ½ turn ccw and then a ¼ turn back to get you back to the very same initial starting point and see if your squeal abated, transitioned or disappeared completely. Then try the other half of the transformer the same way.
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:And then do the same to the remaining transformer. I am suspecting one to have had a major affect on your problem.
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:You are then left to do a full IF alignment…but this might have pointed you to the criticality of one particular adjustment area.
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:73's de Edd

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4/5/2008 10:21:48 PMsean
:forgot to add I took pictures before I removed the caps.
::Hello, I took out all the old caps to restore later. I then played with every adjustment known to man on this radio and no more squeal. I peaked all the adjustments and then tried it...no more squeal.
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::The test seems to indicate your problem t be RF / IF related and not power supply or final audio induced antics.
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::I just read right over the “whole capacitor dangling “scenario…was only thinking of clipped “marker” wire leads.
::That extra baggage of stray capacitance and coupling could be a problem in the IF and RF stages.
::Try getting the
::radio doin’ its ‘thang with the volume left up and then fondly stroke and caress the capacitors on the afore mentioned
::areas to see if there is ANY transition in the squeal coming from the radio. That added stray hand capacitance, as well as the components positioning should then answer your query as per the criticality of those floating components.
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::Lastly, since you were going to be doing an alignment anyhow, and if not done yet, how’s about marking the screw slot positions of the of the 4 I.F. transformer adjustments and make a ¼ turn cw, then a ½ turn ccw and then a ¼ turn back to get you back to the very same initial starting point and see if your squeal abated, transitioned or disappeared completely. Then try the other half of the transformer the same way.
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::And then do the same to the remaining transformer. I am suspecting one to have had a major affect on your problem.
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::You are then left to do a full IF alignment…but this might have pointed you to the criticality of one particular adjustment area.
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::73's de Edd

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