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Granco 610 & 610U FM - Schematics and manual
3/9/2008 2:38:56 PMFlyer22
Hello Dellows,
Do you know where can I find "Granco 610 & 610U FM - Schematics and manual" downloadable in the net.
Any help it's very welcomed !
Cheers,
Flyer22 -- flyer22@hush.com
3/11/2008 3:07:33 PMAnthony Bitetto
Check your email, I sent you scans of the Sams I got from my library. Hope this helps.
Anthony
3/25/2013 3:38:01 PMBill
:Hello Dellows,
:Do you know where can I find "Granco 610 & 610U FM - Schematics and manual" downloadable in the net.
:Any help it's very welcomed !
:Cheers,
:Flyer22 -- flyer22@hush.com
3/25/2013 3:40:30 PMBill
:Hello Dellows,
:Do you know where can I find "Granco 610 & 610U FM - Schematics and manual" downloadable in the net.
:Any help it's very welcomed !
:Cheers,
:Flyer22 -- flyer22@hush.com

I was looking for the same schematic. Saw your post from 2010 and was hoping to get a copy for my 610U repair job.
3/25/2013 5:24:33 PMDennis Wess
Bill,
What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?

I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.

Dennis

3/26/2013 10:35:11 AMAnthony Bitetto
:Bill,
:What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
:
:I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
:
:Dennis
:

Dennis,

I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.

Tony

3/26/2013 5:36:01 PMBill
::Bill,
::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
::
::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
::
::Dennis
::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
:
:Dennis,
:
:I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
:
:Tony
:

3/26/2013 7:35:22 PMBill
:::Bill,
:::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
:::
:::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
:::
:::Dennis
:::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
::
::Dennis,
::
::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
::
::Tony
::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
Bill
:
:

4/2/2013 4:49:35 PMBill
::::Bill,
::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
::::
::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
::::
::::Dennis
::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
:::
:::Dennis,
:::
:::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
:::
:::Tony
:::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
:Bill
::
::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
Bill
:
:

4/2/2013 9:32:07 PMEdd









Sir Bill . . . .


Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.


The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.


Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.


How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.


Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?


Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?


Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.


They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.


One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.


The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.

Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .



73's de Edd




The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.







:::::Bill,
:::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
:::::
:::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
:::::
:::::Dennis
:::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
::::
::::Dennis,
::::
::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
::::
::::Tony
::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
::Bill
:::
:::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
:Bill
::
::
:
:

4/3/2013 11:05:25 AMBill
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:Sir Bill . . . .
:
:
:Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
:the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.
:
:
:The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.
:
:
:Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.
:
:
:How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
:see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.
:
:
:Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?
:
:
:Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?
:
:
:Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


:Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
:"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.
:
:
:They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.
:
:
:One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.
:
:
:The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.
:
:
:
:Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .
:
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:
:
:
:
:
:73's de Edd

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:
:The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.
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::::::Bill,
::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
::::::
::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
::::::
::::::Dennis
::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
:::::
:::::Dennis,
:::::
:::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
:::::
:::::Tony
:::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
:::Bill
::::
::::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
::Bill
:::
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4/3/2013 10:25:34 PMEdd

Bill:
Your final post failed to initiate . . . .
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::
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::
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::
::
::Sir Bill . . . .
::
::
::Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
::the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.
::
::
::The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.
::
::
::Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.
::
::
::How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
::see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.
::
::
::Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?
::
::
::Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?
::
::
::Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


::Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
::"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.
::
::
::They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.
::
::
::One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.
::
::
::The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.
::
::
::
::Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .
::
::
::
::
::
::
::
::73's de Edd

::
::
::
::
::
::The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.
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:::::::Bill,
:::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
:::::::
:::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
:::::::
:::::::Dennis
:::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
::::::
::::::Dennis,
::::::
::::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
::::::
::::::Tony
::::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
::::Bill
:::::
:::::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
:::Bill
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4/4/2013 3:29:11 PMBill
:
:Bill:
:Your final post failed to initiate . . . .
:::
:::

:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
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:::
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:::
:::Sir Bill . . . .
:::
:::
:::Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
:::the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.
:::
:::
:::The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.
:::
:::
:::Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.
:::
:::
:::How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
:::see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.
:::
:::
:::Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?
:::
:::
:::Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?
:::
:::
:::Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


:::Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
:::"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.
:::
:::
:::They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.
:::
:::
:::One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.
:::
:::
:::The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.
:::
:::
:::
:::Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::73's de Edd

:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::


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::::::::Bill,
::::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
::::::::
::::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
::::::::
::::::::Dennis
::::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
:::::::
:::::::Dennis,
:::::::
:::::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
:::::::
:::::::Tony
:::::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
:::::Bill
::::::
::::::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
::::Bill
:::::Edd,
Thanks for replying. I may have to have an interpreter but I think I get most of your comments. I checked the voltage at SR and have 105volts instead of 135. The plate voltages to V1,2,3,4 tubes is 68 instead of 80. Think the filtercaps are bad?
Earlier,I was trying to say the tuning rod made out of glass or ceramic is broken where it attaches to the plastic mounting holder thing.
I guess you have already concluded I am new to radio and need a lot of learning.
Thanks for your help.
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4/4/2013 11:21:51 PMEdd










Sir Bill. . . .

Ahhhhhhhhhh Soooooooooo . . . . with your most honnable info . . .and evaluating it, seems like you just might have have found yourself what is called a
a piston variable capacitor.


BUT the SAMS page 3 photo is too poor for me to be able to differentiate it out in the possible area it is used . . . near osc coil L4, possibly as capacitor adjustment A7. It possibly might even be a glass cylinder with L4 being a spiraled flat ribbon wire wound around it, for its required 2 or 3 turns of created inductance.


The metal piston "slug" will be internal of the glass tubing and is adjusted with a threaded screw which drives it laterally.


Can you get a digital closeup photo for confirmation ?


Also that sel rectifier should be your low B+ problem and needs a 1N4007 silicon diode totally replacing it. . . . no mo' SR.


Also filters may be in order after 50 years of time.


Your volume and performance should come up appreciably after that.


A 1N4007's increased B+ output will require some raising of R22's ohmic value to set the B+ back down to its initial value with the old SR being initially used.



73's de Edd




Why Athletes Can’t Have Regular Jobs:



Upon his hearing of Joe Jacobi of the Redskin’s say:


“I’d run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl,”


Matt Millen of the Raiders said: “To win, I’d run over Joe’s Mom, too.”





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::Bill:
::Your final post failed to initiate . . . .
::::
::::

::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::Sir Bill . . . .
::::
::::
::::Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
::::the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.
::::
::::
::::The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.
::::
::::
::::Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.
::::
::::
::::How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
::::see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.
::::
::::
::::Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?
::::
::::
::::Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?
::::
::::
::::Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


::::Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
::::"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.
::::
::::
::::They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.
::::
::::
::::One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.
::::
::::
::::The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.
::::
::::
::::
::::Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::73's de Edd

::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.
::::
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::::
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:::::::::Bill,
:::::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
:::::::::
:::::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
:::::::::
:::::::::Dennis
:::::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
::::::::
::::::::Dennis,
::::::::
::::::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
::::::::
::::::::Tony
::::::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
::::::Bill
:::::::
:::::::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
:::::Bill
::::::Edd,
:Thanks for replying. I may have to have an interpreter but I think I get most of your comments. I checked the voltage at SR and have 105volts instead of 135. The plate voltages to V1,2,3,4 tubes is 68 instead of 80. Think the filtercaps are bad?
:Earlier,I was trying to say the tuning rod made out of glass or ceramic is broken where it attaches to the plastic mounting holder thing.
:I guess you have already concluded I am new to radio and need a lot of learning.
:Thanks for your help.
::::::
:::::
:::::
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::::
:::
:::
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:

4/6/2013 8:27:06 PMBill
Edd, I thank you for your help. I changed out the rectifier to the 1N4007 you recommended. The voltage did come up to 153v and up to 95v at the tube plates. What value resistor would be needed to reduce the voltage down to the 135v called for? Will replacing the one resistor take care of it?

I do have a picture of the tuning set up but don't know how to send it to you on the forum. I was able to glue the glass inner tube of the tuning slug to the control arm and I think it is working fine now, at least I am able to tune in stations.

If you still want a picture, E-mail me and I'll send it.
Take care
Bill


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:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:Sir Bill. . . .
:
:
:
:Ahhhhhhhhhh Soooooooooo . . . . with your most honnable info . . .and evaluating it, seems like you just might have have found yourself what is called a
:a piston variable capacitor.
:
:
:BUT the SAMS page 3 photo is too poor for me to be able to differentiate it out in the possible area it is used . . . near osc coil L4, possibly as capacitor adjustment A7. It possibly might even be a glass cylinder with L4 being a spiraled flat ribbon wire wound around it, for its required 2 or 3 turns of created inductance.
:
:
:The metal piston "slug" will be internal of the glass tubing and is adjusted with a threaded screw which drives it laterally.
:
:
:Can you get a digital closeup photo for confirmation ?
:
:
:Also that sel rectifier should be your low B+ problem and needs a 1N4007 silicon diode totally replacing it. . . . no mo' SR.
:
:
:Also filters may be in order after 50 years of time.
:
:
:Your volume and performance should come up appreciably after that.
:
:
:A 1N4007's increased B+ output will require some raising of R22's ohmic value to set the B+ back down to its initial value with the old SR being initially used.
:
:
:
:
:
:73's de Edd

:
:
:
:
:
:Why Athletes Can’t Have Regular Jobs:
:
:
:
:
:
:Upon his hearing of Joe Jacobi of the Redskin’s say:
:
:
:“I’d run over my own mother to win the Super Bowl,”
:
:
:Matt Millen of the Raiders said: “To win, I’d run over Joe’s Mom, too.”
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:

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:
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:::Bill:
:::Your final post failed to initiate . . . .
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:::::
:::::Sir Bill . . . .
:::::
:::::
:::::Clarification please . . . . . . wheeeeeeeeech slug ? . . . .as there are potentially 2 slugs each in the IF transformateurs along with 2 in
:::::the ratioless- detecticatorating T-tormer.
:::::
:::::
:::::The RF front ends L4 and osc L4 are air would coils and thereby dependent upon compressing or "knifing" their inductive values.
:::::
:::::
:::::Thereby, being very low inductance and no needed use of associative slugs.
:::::
:::::
:::::How's about taking another analytical path initially . . . . with it being in the respect of checking out that FM detector stages 2 ufd summing capacitor C2 to
:::::see if time hasn't taken a toll on its electrolyte and is now currently residing waaaaay down in the .1 ufd range.
:::::
:::::
:::::Additionally, is the power supply "healthy" . . . . . and having in the order of its prescribed ~ 130VDC at the plate of the 35C5 tube ?
:::::
:::::
:::::Also is the 19T8's 220 K plate load resistor and its 4.7 meg grid resistors being within tolerances?
:::::
:::::
:::::Also its . . . and the other tubes screen and plate voltage levels. ?


:::::Also, if you don't happen to have another 19T8 to sub in to evaluate its detector diode sections, pull out a pair of modern day small signal
:::::"computer switching" diodes of the 1N4148 0r 1N914 genus and solder tack across the 19T8.
:::::
:::::
:::::They are as common as dirt in new electronics from the ~70's or even RS has them.
:::::
:::::
:::::One diodes cathode will be going to pin # 3 and its anode to # 2.
:::::
:::::
:::::The other diodes cathode will be going to pin # 7 and its anode to # 1.
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::Those are just my initial thoughts . . . check 'em out .
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::73's de Edd

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:::::The man who can smile when things go wrong has just thought of someone he can blame it on.
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::::::::::Bill,
::::::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
::::::::::
::::::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
::::::::::
::::::::::Dennis
::::::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
:::::::::
:::::::::Dennis,
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:::::::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
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:::::::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
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::::::::I want to thank Tony and Dennis for their help. I have the radio playing now but the small tuning slug is broken. How should I proceed? Some of it is still in the tube.Volume is low. Is that due to slug?
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::Thanks for replying. I may have to have an interpreter but I think I get most of your comments. I checked the voltage at SR and have 105volts instead of 135. The plate voltages to V1,2,3,4 tubes is 68 instead of 80. Think the filtercaps are bad?
::Earlier,I was trying to say the tuning rod made out of glass or ceramic is broken where it attaches to the plastic mounting holder thing.
::I guess you have already concluded I am new to radio and need a lot of learning.
::Thanks for your help.
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4/18/2013 11:04:05 AMBill
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::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
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::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
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::::Dennis
::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
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:::Dennis,
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:::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
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:::Tony
:::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
:Bill
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::It has been quite a while since I heard anything new. I have found a glue that is supposed to adhere to glass and metal so I glued the small broken tuning slug to the control arm. So far it is holding. I have a garbled sound on both sides of a tuned station. I read about some caps inside the signal xformers but can't find any information as to the values needed. If i am thinking right, the poor contact in the cans will be the problem with tuning.
Bill
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4/20/2013 4:22:59 PMEdd









Sir Bill . . . .



I read about some caps inside the signal xformers but can't find any information as to the values needed. If i am thinking right, the poor contact in the cans will be the problem with tuning.



Hold off on suspicioning any caps in IF transformers as being the fault.


Looks like you found a work around on the tuning aspect, but on the above, will the radio receive well when RIGHT ON the station,
as FM receivers DO go noisy when tuned to either side of the station and then finally drop out of tune completely.

If any question, do the SAMS alignment with a meter . . no scope required . . . as per the first two parts of alignment info given.
Notice that the tuning for A1 thru A5 are measuring received signal strength at test point B.


You can use an off the air station if you initially monitor and tune in for MAXIMUM DC meter reading at B with the tuning knob
peaked and then you DON'T touch it again.


That is, until A5 thru A1 have been peaked for max readings.


Then you move DC metering to C test point and slightly trim its slug in to get as close to ZERO volts out as is being possible.


THEN you can try tuning in to radio stations again and see how well they are received.


To get an estimation of how well your tuning was, you can meter for DC at C and tune in on a station for as close to O valts as
you can get and then tune off the station in one direction and you will see an increasing negative or positive voltage.


Keep slowly tuning til you see its max reading and memorize it.


Then you tune back onto the station and go the OPPOSITE tuning direction this time, and an opposite polarity of voltage should
then be increasing and reach ~ the same threshold as was attainable just before.


If you find those voltage swings balanced you are fine, if imbalanced, A6 adjustment needs micro adjustment , until equal + and - voltage extreme swings are finally acquired.

The other old question, was the use of an additional series resistor to compensate for the higher DC voltage output of a silicon diode
voltage rectifier . . . . yes . .can do . . just experiment with the value selected 'til it trims in to the old sel rect output voltage level.



73's de Edd




The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement.






:::::Bill,
:::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
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:::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
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:::::Dennis
:::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
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::::Dennis,
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::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
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::::Tony
::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
::Bill
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:::It has been quite a while since I heard anything new. I have found a glue that is supposed to adhere to glass and metal so I glued the small broken tuning slug to the control arm. So far it is holding. I have a garbled sound on both sides of a tuned station. I read about some caps inside the signal xformers but can't find any information as to the values needed. If i am thinking right, the poor contact in the cans will be the problem with tuning.
:Bill
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:I read about some caps inside the signal xformers but can't find any information as to the values needed. If i am thinking right, the poor contact in the cans will be the problem with tuning.
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:Hold off on suspicioning any caps in IF transformers as being the fault.


:Looks like you found a work around on the tuning aspect, but on the above, will the radio receive well when RIGHT ON the station,
:as FM receivers DO go noisy when tuned to either side of the station and then finally drop out of tune completely.
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:If any question, do the SAMS alignment with a meter . . no scope required . . . as per the first two parts of alignment info given.
:Notice that the tuning for A1 thru A5 are measuring received signal strength at test point B.
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:You can use an off the air station if you initially monitor and tune in for MAXIMUM DC meter reading at B with the tuning knob
:peaked and then you DON'T touch it again.
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:That is, until A5 thru A1 have been peaked for max readings.
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:Then you move DC metering to C test point and slightly trim its slug in to get as close to ZERO volts out as is being possible.
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:THEN you can try tuning in to radio stations again and see how well they are received.
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:To get an estimation of how well your tuning was, you can meter for DC at C and tune in on a station for as close to O valts as
:you can get and then tune off the station in one direction and you will see an increasing negative or positive voltage.
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:Keep slowly tuning til you see its max reading and memorize it.
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:Then you tune back onto the station and go the OPPOSITE tuning direction this time, and an opposite polarity of voltage should
:then be increasing and reach ~ the same threshold as was attainable just before.
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:If you find those voltage swings balanced you are fine, if imbalanced, A6 adjustment needs micro adjustment , until equal + and - voltage extreme swings are finally acquired.
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:The other old question, was the use of an additional series resistor to compensate for the higher DC voltage output of a silicon diode
:voltage rectifier . . . . yes . .can do . . just experiment with the value selected 'til it trims in to the old sel rect output voltage level.
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::::::Bill,
::::::What is the difference between models 610 and 610U ?
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::::::I can provide the Photofact for model 610 (six tube FM only tabletop)however I can find no documentaion for a 610U.
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::::::Dennis
::::::I don't know if there is a difference. I was using the model number of a picture of my radio. It may refer to the color of the cabinet. Thanks for any help.Bill
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:::::Dennis,
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:::::I have a photofact set 283 folder 6. It is marked Granco 610. The back of my radio says 610U. May mean the color of the case? I just included it in the model #.
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:::::Tony
:::::My E-mail is bandsgee@cmaaccess.com
:::Bill
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::::It has been quite a while since I heard anything new. I have found a glue that is supposed to adhere to glass and metal so I glued the small broken tuning slug to the control arm. So far it is holding. I have a garbled sound on both sides of a tuned station. I read about some caps inside the signal xformers but can't find any information as to the values needed. If i am thinking right, the poor contact in the cans will be the problem with tuning.
::Bill
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Edd, to answer your question, the radio tunes in when "Right on" the station and acts as you describe on either side but then receives a strong garbled signal as the dial is moved further away from the "noisy" spot.
I think the first step is investigate the signal xformer.
Thanks for helping. I'll update if i run into trouble.
Bill
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