Need Help Determining Zenith Model Number- with info this time

12/25/2007 8:23:43 PMBob -

I think its from around the 40's. Tube complement, 1232, (2) 6x5, (2) 6v6, 6j5, 6q7, 6k7, 6?8. 6u5 (eye) Tunes BC, 1.6-5mc ,6-18 mc. Has push buttons for tone selection (6 buttons) and 6 buttons for pre-selected stations. Switch in back for radio or tv. Antenna is missing but was a big cardboard box. Speaker had choke or it was an electromagnetic speaker, (has been upgraded to output transformer and choke). Chassis is about 15 inches wide, 10 inches deep and 5 inches high. Chassis is painted gold. Tuning cap is 2 sections and it has 2 if's and it looks like 1 rf coil.
I need to make new antenna, also would like to see the schmatic.
Any help in determining the model number is appreciated.
Thanks Bob

12/26/2007 12:25:00 AMEdd

Sir Robert:

It sounds like that you are interested in the Zenith 10-S-443-452-470-464-491-492 series of sets that are utilizing the 1005 chassis, in accordance to the

original electro-dynamic speaker size incorporated.

The marking on the back may indicate either phono or TV input, and has the typical gold chassis, along with your mentioned tube line-up with the mystery tube being its 6A8 converter tube.

Thumbnail of the chassis is :

It looks to be compliments of Sir Douglas…. and he can, in all probability, fill you in on the fine intricacies and details of fabrication of Ye Olden Zenith Wavemagnet Loop antenna portion thereof.

Additionally, he even professes to have very high on his to do list for 2008, the utilization of a FULL size sheet of plywood and the rolling in of even more sawhorsies for an upgrading and refinement to ye olden workbench…..

73's de Edd

:I think its from around the 40's. Tube complement, 1232, (2) 6x5, (2) 6v6, 6j5, 6q7, 6k7, 6?8. 6u5 (eye) Tunes BC, 1.6-5mc ,6-18 mc. Has push buttons for tone selection (6 buttons) and 6 buttons for pre-selected stations. Switch in back for radio or tv. Antenna is missing but was a big cardboard box. Speaker had choke or it was an electromagnetic speaker, (has been upgraded to output transformer and choke). Chassis is about 15 inches wide, 10 inches deep and 5 inches high. Chassis is painted gold. Tuning cap is 2 sections and it has 2 if's and it looks like 1 rf coil.
: I need to make new antenna, also would like to see the schmatic.
: Any help in determining the model number is appreciated.
: Thanks Bob

12/26/2007 11:27:52 AMBob

:Thanks, its the 1005, image did not come through. Do you know how i can contact Sir Douglas for antenna design. I replaced most of the rubber wires and electrlytic caps. now i just need the antenna design. A piece of wires works but gets a lot of hum, i'm guessing the shield on the antenna is really needed.
Thanks Again Bob.

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:Sir Robert:
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:It sounds like that you are interested in the Zenith 10-S-443-452-470-464-491-492 series of sets that are utilizing the 1005 chassis, in accordance to the
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:original electro-dynamic speaker size incorporated.
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:The marking on the back may indicate either phono or TV input, and has the typical gold chassis, along with your mentioned tube line-up with the mystery tube being its 6A8 converter tube.
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:Thumbnail of the chassis is :
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:It looks to be compliments of Sir Douglas…. and he can, in all probability, fill you in on the fine intricacies and details of fabrication of Ye Olden Zenith Wavemagnet Loop antenna portion thereof.
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:Additionally, he even professes to have very high on his to do list for 2008, the utilization of a FULL size sheet of plywood and the rolling in of even more sawhorsies for an upgrading and refinement to ye olden workbench…..
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:73's de Edd
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::I think its from around the 40's. Tube complement, 1232, (2) 6x5, (2) 6v6, 6j5, 6q7, 6k7, 6?8. 6u5 (eye) Tunes BC, 1.6-5mc ,6-18 mc. Has push buttons for tone selection (6 buttons) and 6 buttons for pre-selected stations. Switch in back for radio or tv. Antenna is missing but was a big cardboard box. Speaker had choke or it was an electromagnetic speaker, (has been upgraded to output transformer and choke). Chassis is about 15 inches wide, 10 inches deep and 5 inches high. Chassis is painted gold. Tuning cap is 2 sections and it has 2 if's and it looks like 1 rf coil.
:: I need to make new antenna, also would like to see the schmatic.
:: Any help in determining the model number is appreciated.
:: Thanks Bob

12/28/2007 8:44:23 AMEdd

What gives?........ I certainly can’t account for the first photos loss of hot linking …maybe The Shaaaaadow knooows.... but I am now placing it here again,
permitting a visual referencing of its Wavemagnet Loop Antenna.

Sir Douglas gives a recount of his restored Zenith unit here:

Hot Link:
http://www.enginova.com/Zenith_10S464.htm

On the “possible” loop that you found, I was thinking that the loop unit mated into a smaller plug on back chassis …akin to the speaker plug... instead of
passing thru holes in a small sheet phenolic disk…but looks like the
“antiques dealer” clipped its wires loose….therefore leaving you more work, in tracing
out its wiring connections.

73's de Edd

::Thanks, its the 1005, image did not come through. Do you know how i can contact Sir Douglas for antenna design. I replaced most of the rubber wires and electrlytic caps. now i just need the antenna design. A piece of wires works but gets a lot of hum, i'm guessing the shield on the antenna is really needed.
:Thanks Again Bob.
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::Sir Robert:
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::It sounds like that you are interested in the Zenith 10-S-443-452-470-464-491-492 series of sets that are utilizing the 1005 chassis, in accordance to the
::
::original electro-dynamic speaker size incorporated.
::
::The marking on the back may indicate either phono or TV input, and has the typical gold chassis, along with your mentioned tube line-up with the mystery tube being its 6A8 converter tube.
::
::Thumbnail of the chassis is :
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::
::
::
::It looks to be compliments of Sir Douglas…. and he can, in all probability, fill you in on the fine intricacies and details of fabrication of Ye Olden Zenith Wavemagnet Loop antenna portion thereof.
::
::Additionally, he even professes to have very high on his to do list for 2008, the utilization of a FULL size sheet of plywood and the rolling in of even more sawhorsies for an upgrading and refinement to ye olden workbench…..
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::73's de Edd
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:::I think its from around the 40's. Tube complement, 1232, (2) 6x5, (2) 6v6, 6j5, 6q7, 6k7, 6?8. 6u5 (eye) Tunes BC, 1.6-5mc ,6-18 mc. Has push buttons for tone selection (6 buttons) and 6 buttons for pre-selected stations. Switch in back for radio or tv. Antenna is missing but was a big cardboard box. Speaker had choke or it was an electromagnetic speaker, (has been upgraded to output transformer and choke). Chassis is about 15 inches wide, 10 inches deep and 5 inches high. Chassis is painted gold. Tuning cap is 2 sections and it has 2 if's and it looks like 1 rf coil.
::: I need to make new antenna, also would like to see the schmatic.
::: Any help in determining the model number is appreciated.
::: Thanks Bob

12/28/2007 11:28:57 AMDoug Criner

Edd has pictured some of my handiwork - from an earlier period when I was even less skilled than now.

Chassis 1005 was used in several Zenith models. To identify the model number, we need to see a picture of the front of the cabinet. I have Stein's prewar console guide.
Doug

12/29/2007 1:30:33 PMBob

Just looked at you pictures, thanks for re-submitting them. That's the radio I have, but i only have the chassis. I got mine when i was a kid from my grandfather and after trying to listen to airplanes ???, (i thought you could), my father said the radio was too large and had to go. But I managed to keep the chassis, which i am restoring now. I think i will try to make sometype of cabinet for it, i just like the sould of old radio's.
Thanks again for everyones help.
Bob.

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:
:
:
:
:What gives?........ I certainly can’t account for the first photos loss of hot linking …maybe The Shaaaaadow knooows.... but I am now placing it here again,
: permitting a visual referencing of its Wavemagnet Loop Antenna.
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:Sir Douglas gives a recount of his restored Zenith unit here:
:
:Hot Link:
:http://www.enginova.com/Zenith_10S464.htm
:
:
:On the “possible” loop that you found, I was thinking that the loop unit mated into a smaller plug on back chassis …akin to the speaker plug... instead of
: passing thru holes in a small sheet phenolic disk…but looks like the
:“antiques dealer” clipped its wires loose….therefore leaving you more work, in tracing
: out its wiring connections.
:
:
:
:
:73's de Edd
:
:
:
:
:
:
:::Thanks, its the 1005, image did not come through. Do you know how i can contact Sir Douglas for antenna design. I replaced most of the rubber wires and electrlytic caps. now i just need the antenna design. A piece of wires works but gets a lot of hum, i'm guessing the shield on the antenna is really needed.
::Thanks Again Bob.
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::
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::Sir Robert:
:::
:::It sounds like that you are interested in the Zenith 10-S-443-452-470-464-491-492 series of sets that are utilizing the 1005 chassis, in accordance to the
:::
:::original electro-dynamic speaker size incorporated.
:::
:::The marking on the back may indicate either phono or TV input, and has the typical gold chassis, along with your mentioned tube line-up with the mystery tube being its 6A8 converter tube.
:::
:::Thumbnail of the chassis is :
:::
:::
:::
:::
:::It looks to be compliments of Sir Douglas…. and he can, in all probability, fill you in on the fine intricacies and details of fabrication of Ye Olden Zenith Wavemagnet Loop antenna portion thereof.
:::
:::Additionally, he even professes to have very high on his to do list for 2008, the utilization of a FULL size sheet of plywood and the rolling in of even more sawhorsies for an upgrading and refinement to ye olden workbench…..
:::
:::
:::
:::73's de Edd
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::::I think its from around the 40's. Tube complement, 1232, (2) 6x5, (2) 6v6, 6j5, 6q7, 6k7, 6?8. 6u5 (eye) Tunes BC, 1.6-5mc ,6-18 mc. Has push buttons for tone selection (6 buttons) and 6 buttons for pre-selected stations. Switch in back for radio or tv. Antenna is missing but was a big cardboard box. Speaker had choke or it was an electromagnetic speaker, (has been upgraded to output transformer and choke). Chassis is about 15 inches wide, 10 inches deep and 5 inches high. Chassis is painted gold. Tuning cap is 2 sections and it has 2 if's and it looks like 1 rf coil.
:::: I need to make new antenna, also would like to see the schmatic.
:::: Any help in determining the model number is appreciated.
:::: Thanks Bob

12/28/2007 1:02:15 PMwalt

Bob- Happy Holidays to all!! I have a couple of "Zenith Rotor Wavemagnets" that I salvaged from a couple of junked consoles. Model #'s unknown. They are a bluish-greenish-gray cardboard box with orange lettering. They rotate on top and bottom brackets. They measure 16.5x8.5x3.75 with a 4-prong plug. You are welcome to one if you still need one and if it sounds like what you need. I'm in the Rochester NY area. Let me know. -Walt.

12/29/2007 1:18:10 PMBob

Thanks Walt, but i found on on e-bay and it is in the mail already.