ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
THANKS
ROGER
Doug
:I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:THANKS
:ROGER
Norm
:Roger, what is "WE"? Western Electric?
:Doug
:
::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
::THANKS
::ROGER
Norm
:No relationship. WE is Western Electric and CBS is CBS Hytron.
:
:Norm
:
:
::Roger, what is "WE"? Western Electric?
::Doug
::
:::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:::THANKS
:::ROGER
:Doug
:
::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
::THANKS
::ROGER
::Doug ON BOX WE ELECTRON,WESTERN ELECTRONICS SUPPLY LTD.
ON TUBE BASE MADE IN U.S.A. DD IN RED.SOME HAVE NO MARKING ON BASE AT ALL.SOME HAVE 4 NUMBERS 58
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TUBE NUMBER IS ON TUBE GLASS AS NORMAL.SOME HAVE ON BASE TUBES 100% FACTORY TESTED AND MADE IN U.S.A WITH 4 NUMBERS 61 OVER 22 IN RED.
THEN I WILL FIND THE SAME NUMBER TUBE IN A CBS BOX WITH THE SAME MARKINGS ON BASE THE SAME COLOR RED ONLY IT WILL HAVE THE CBS LOGO ON IT.
::
:::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:::THANKS
:::ROGER
Doug
:::Roger, what is "WE"? Western Electric?
:::Doug ON BOX WE ELECTRON,WESTERN ELECTRONICS SUPPLY LTD.
:ON TUBE BASE MADE IN U.S.A. DD IN RED.SOME HAVE NO MARKING ON BASE AT ALL.SOME HAVE 4 NUMBERS 58
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:TUBE NUMBER IS ON TUBE GLASS AS NORMAL.SOME HAVE ON BASE TUBES 100% FACTORY TESTED AND MADE IN U.S.A WITH 4 NUMBERS 61 OVER 22 IN RED.
:THEN I WILL FIND THE SAME NUMBER TUBE IN A CBS BOX WITH THE SAME MARKINGS ON BASE THE SAME COLOR RED ONLY IT WILL HAVE THE CBS LOGO ON IT.
:::
::::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
::::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
::::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
::::THANKS
::::ROGER
:ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:THANKS
:ROGER
Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
::THANKS
::ROGER
:
:Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
:
:okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
:...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
:
:I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
I changed jillions of tubes in my years at AT&T, but they were always made be Western Electric, and as was pointed out three digits and a letter, A or B etc. These tubes had commercial application, but Ma Bell made darn sure we never got the cross-reference list to use WE tubes in our home. Anyway, most of them had 24 Volt filaments. We used 4,500 amperes of 24 Volts round the clock. In the microwave stations, we used a lighthouse triode, a 416B and I changed a bejillion of them, usually about 4 A.M. and 75 miles from home where I was sleeping very nicely about three hours ago.
Lewis
:
Doug
:::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:::THANKS
:::ROGER
::
::Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
::
::okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
::...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
::
::I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
:
:I changed jillions of tubes in my years at AT&T, but they were always made be Western Electric, and as was pointed out three digits and a letter, A or B etc. These tubes had commercial application, but Ma Bell made darn sure we never got the cross-reference list to use WE tubes in our home. Anyway, most of them had 24 Volt filaments. We used 4,500 amperes of 24 Volts round the clock. In the microwave stations, we used a lighthouse triode, a 416B and I changed a bejillion of them, usually about 4 A.M. and 75 miles from home where I was sleeping very nicely about three hours ago.
:Lewis
::
Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
marv
:::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:::THANKS
:::ROGER
::
::Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
::
::okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
::...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
::
::I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
:
:I changed jillions of tubes in my years at AT&T, but they were always made be Western Electric, and as was pointed out three digits and a letter, A or B etc. These tubes had commercial application, but Ma Bell made darn sure we never got the cross-reference list to use WE tubes in our home. Anyway, most of them had 24 Volt filaments. We used 4,500 amperes of 24 Volts round the clock. In the microwave stations, we used a lighthouse triode, a 416B and I changed a bejillion of them, usually about 4 A.M. and 75 miles from home where I was sleeping very nicely about three hours ago.
:Lewis
::
:Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:
:marv
That's the one. It was in a grounded grid circuit, and you had a special torque wrench to screw the tube into the socket, and the filament leads stuck out to put a socket on. Several times I was at home watching tv, which came to Augusta, GA by microwave from Charlotte thru Columbia to Allendale, where the networks split and went to Augusta, Charleston, and Savannah, and I would be the "on call" guy, I would see the tv get noisy and suddenly clear up as the video switched to a protection channel, I'd get up and start putting my shoes on 'cause I knew the phone was about to ring and the overtime pay was about to begin. The Augusta office maintained 8 microwave towers, plus the home office. Each channel could carry 600 single sideband telephone messages or one color tv picture, and oddly enough, the stuff was FM. The sound was on the co-axial cable for the radio and tv networks all the way down to Miami, but Flordia got the pictures out of Charlotte through Atlanta. Ma Bell...go figure.
Lewis
Doug
::Lewis,
::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
::
::marv
:
:
:That's the one. It was in a grounded grid circuit, and you had a special torque wrench to screw the tube into the socket, and the filament leads stuck out to put a socket on. Several times I was at home watching tv, which came to Augusta, GA by microwave from Charlotte thru Columbia to Allendale, where the networks split and went to Augusta, Charleston, and Savannah, and I would be the "on call" guy, I would see the tv get noisy and suddenly clear up as the video switched to a protection channel, I'd get up and start putting my shoes on 'cause I knew the phone was about to ring and the overtime pay was about to begin. The Augusta office maintained 8 microwave towers, plus the home office. Each channel could carry 600 single sideband telephone messages or one color tv picture, and oddly enough, the stuff was FM. The sound was on the co-axial cable for the radio and tv networks all the way down to Miami, but Flordia got the pictures out of Charlotte through Atlanta. Ma Bell...go figure.
:Lewis
:
:Doug
:
:THANKS I GUESS IT WILL STAY A MYSTRY
:::Lewis,
:::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:::
:::marv
::
::
::That's the one. It was in a grounded grid circuit, and you had a special torque wrench to screw the tube into the socket, and the filament leads stuck out to put a socket on. Several times I was at home watching tv, which came to Augusta, GA by microwave from Charlotte thru Columbia to Allendale, where the networks split and went to Augusta, Charleston, and Savannah, and I would be the "on call" guy, I would see the tv get noisy and suddenly clear up as the video switched to a protection channel, I'd get up and start putting my shoes on 'cause I knew the phone was about to ring and the overtime pay was about to begin. The Augusta office maintained 8 microwave towers, plus the home office. Each channel could carry 600 single sideband telephone messages or one color tv picture, and oddly enough, the stuff was FM. The sound was on the co-axial cable for the radio and tv networks all the way down to Miami, but Flordia got the pictures out of Charlotte through Atlanta. Ma Bell...go figure.
::Lewis
::
:Doug
Most of that trouble blamed on us was either at the network in NYC, or at yur local station, That microwave was weird stuff, you could put 600 voice channels on a microwave, from 64KHz to about 3.1 MHz, and there were times we had to restore the co-axial ,308 to 8,3230 MHz on microwave, but man those high frequency channels hissed like a box of angry snakes. We could send the TV stations up to 10 MHz of video, and you couldn't see the noise,and it looked GOOD, but they had to lop it off a 4.2 MHz to stay out of their 4.5 MHz sound. In fact, the networks had in place ways to put audio in the picture on the microwave, and audio and video both go out of the video transmitter and the intercarrier (one that uses the video carrier as the sound local oscillator)receiver can't tell the difference, but they had separate audio and video paths in my day as the microwave had that hiss that didn't mess up the picture but we had to comptess the sound leaving Augusta, and they expanded it in Charleston and Savannah as they were connected to the outside world by microvave. But, Hey, nobody ever missed a ball game due to my screwing up, no siree!
Lewis
:
:
:::Lewis,
:::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:::
:::marv
::
::
::That's the one. It was in a grounded grid circuit, and you had a special torque wrench to screw the tube into the socket, and the filament leads stuck out to put a socket on. Several times I was at home watching tv, which came to Augusta, GA by microwave from Charlotte thru Columbia to Allendale, where the networks split and went to Augusta, Charleston, and Savannah, and I would be the "on call" guy, I would see the tv get noisy and suddenly clear up as the video switched to a protection channel, I'd get up and start putting my shoes on 'cause I knew the phone was about to ring and the overtime pay was about to begin. The Augusta office maintained 8 microwave towers, plus the home office. Each channel could carry 600 single sideband telephone messages or one color tv picture, and oddly enough, the stuff was FM. The sound was on the co-axial cable for the radio and tv networks all the way down to Miami, but Flordia got the pictures out of Charlotte through Atlanta. Ma Bell...go figure.
::Lewis
::
:Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:
:marv
You mean these old corroded things.
Bill
:
::::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
::::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
::::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
::::THANKS
::::ROGER
:::
:::Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
:::
:::okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
:::...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
:::
:::I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
::
::I changed jillions of tubes in my years at AT&T, but they were always made be Western Electric, and as was pointed out three digits and a letter, A or B etc. These tubes had commercial application, but Ma Bell made darn sure we never got the cross-reference list to use WE tubes in our home. Anyway, most of them had 24 Volt filaments. We used 4,500 amperes of 24 Volts round the clock. In the microwave stations, we used a lighthouse triode, a 416B and I changed a bejillion of them, usually about 4 A.M. and 75 miles from home where I was sleeping very nicely about three hours ago.
::Lewis
:::
Yep looks like the one.
marv
::Lewis,
::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
::
::marv
:
:You mean these old corroded things.
:Bill
:
:
::
:::::I HAVE A LOT OF NOS TUBES I AM SORTING AND I AM COMING ACROSS A LOT OF CBS TUBES OR TUBES WITH CBS COLOR MARKINGS ON THEM IN WE BOXES.
:::::ANYONE KNOW THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CBS AND WE,
:::::THESE TUBES ARE NOS AND I AM SURE THEY HAVE BEEN IN THE BOXES FROM NEW.
:::::THANKS
:::::ROGER
::::
::::Roger you say "you are sure they have been in the boxes from new"
::::
::::okay... but what makes you "sure" of that?
::::...or do you mean you "think" ... they've been in those boxes since new?
::::
::::I really don't know but I doubt that if they were made by CBS for WE ...that they would use the CBS logo.. y'know?
:::
:::I changed jillions of tubes in my years at AT&T, but they were always made be Western Electric, and as was pointed out three digits and a letter, A or B etc. These tubes had commercial application, but Ma Bell made darn sure we never got the cross-reference list to use WE tubes in our home. Anyway, most of them had 24 Volt filaments. We used 4,500 amperes of 24 Volts round the clock. In the microwave stations, we used a lighthouse triode, a 416B and I changed a bejillion of them, usually about 4 A.M. and 75 miles from home where I was sleeping very nicely about three hours ago.
:::Lewis
::::
:Yep looks like the one.
:
:marv
:
:::Lewis,
:::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:::
:::marv
::
::You mean these old corroded things.
::Bill
::
::
Yep, that is the gentleman. While most of the tubes used 24 Volts for the filament and 130 for the plate, the microwave used 12 Volts for the filament, and 250 for the plate. Your typical repeater station out in the hinterlands would be using 700-800 Amps of filament current, and maybe 50 Amps of 250V. plate current. Our local power companies loved us, except in the Georgia summers when air conditioner use put a strain on their generators, and we would just run our Diesels. The two General Motors railroad Diesels we had were the exact same as in a 110 MPH passenger locomotive,only with AC generators and a different governer, and they ran the telephone works just fine, elevator, air conditioning and all.
Lewis
::Yep looks like the one.
::
::marv
::
::::Lewis,
::::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
::::
::::marv
:::
:::You mean these old corroded things.
:::Bill
:::
:::
:
:
:Yep, that is the gentleman. While most of the tubes used 24 Volts for the filament and 130 for the plate, the microwave used 12 Volts for the filament, and 250 for the plate. Your typical repeater station out in the hinterlands would be using 700-800 Amps of filament current, and maybe 50 Amps of 250V. plate current. Our local power companies loved us, except in the Georgia summers when air conditioner use put a strain on their generators, and we would just run our Diesels. The two General Motors railroad Diesels we had were the exact same as in a 110 MPH passenger locomotive,only with AC generators and a different governer, and they ran the telephone works just fine, elevator, air conditioning and all.
:
:Lewis
:I HAVE A COUPLE 416-B N.O.S.I TRIED TO SEND A PICTURE FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT BUT DON'T KNOW HOW
:::Yep looks like the one.
:::
:::marv
:::
:::::Lewis,
:::::Aahh, the 416B. What a tube. If memory serves me right, a WWII radar tube designed by Western Electric. Fully gold plated planar triode with an amplification factor of 200, (46db) well into the high VHF spectrum. As I recall, filament current was around 2 amps, and ran hotter than a Sat nite special. Wish I had a few. No sockets for this lighthouse. The grid was threaded, and screwed into a 2"x2"x1/4" solid slab of silver plated copper. Primarily for grounded grid, low noise operation. Changed out a lot of them in early telemetry receivers used in rocket research, but during normal hours.
:::::
:::::marv
::::
::::You mean these old corroded things.
::::Bill
::::
::::
::
::
::Yep, that is the gentleman. While most of the tubes used 24 Volts for the filament and 130 for the plate, the microwave used 12 Volts for the filament, and 250 for the plate. Your typical repeater station out in the hinterlands would be using 700-800 Amps of filament current, and maybe 50 Amps of 250V. plate current. Our local power companies loved us, except in the Georgia summers when air conditioner use put a strain on their generators, and we would just run our Diesels. The two General Motors railroad Diesels we had were the exact same as in a 110 MPH passenger locomotive,only with AC generators and a different governer, and they ran the telephone works just fine, elevator, air conditioning and all.
::
::Lewis
::I HAVE A COUPLE 416-B N.O.S.I TRIED TO SEND A PICTURE FOR YOUR ENJOYMENT BUT DON'T KNOW HOW
Thanks, but I remember them well. It was fun to take the grid out of one ann look through it, you got a "special effect" from the close spacing of the screen wire used.
Lewis
BTW, the two Diesel engines mentioned earlier were originally designed for a passenger locomotive, they were V-12s, with 567 Cubic Inches displacement Per Cylindetr., 1350 HP an 900 rpm. Each. Measure that by 746 and count the KiloWatts.
Lewis