James:
Looking at the schematic in resources on this site, it looks like the antenna is a loop type, with a tap somewhere in its windings. I believe that your best bet would be to wind your own, if you can find out the size and number of turns from someone on this forum, or perhaps from a site that specializes in Philco, referred to often on this site. I am not familiar with "slinky" looking antenna you refer to, but I should imagine in is not what you need for your Philco.
Lewis
Er, James, about a cure...I'm afraid I have some rather bad news for you....if you are hooked, that's it. You can be rich or poor, whatever, but the first time you pull a radio out of the trash or an old barn orwherever and hear it play for the first time....well, my heartfelt sorrow especially to your wife if you have one.
Lewis
marv
:Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
The loops measure approximately 20.25 inches high by 21..75 inches wide and are spaced parallel 2 inches from each other using insulated spacers. The total length of the wire (approximately 10 guage) in inches for each loop is 82.25 inches. The beginning and the end of each loop is jumpered together. This is the loop centertap. If this loop is not connected there are antenna adjustments that will not adjust.
Radiodoc
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::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:James,
::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::
::marv
::
::
:::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
marv
::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:James,
::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::
::marv
::
::
:::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
The dimensions I gave was for a 41-280 radio. Looking at the schematic, it looks like the major difference is the 260 uses one 41 whereas the 280 uses pushpull 41 tubes.
Radiodoc
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:James,
:Yes, looks just like my 42-1008, but mine is wider to accomodate the tilt-out record changer platform. One of our esteemed forum contributors has posted dimensions for a similar unit, and hopefully would fit within your cabinet. A small spool of #12 house wire could be a low priced starting point for construction, with or without it's insulation. Copper clad welding rod (1/8"-5/32" dia.) if sufficient length can be found, would also work well, and easily retain it's shape. If on the other hand, if originality is an issue, its best to look into a NOS/used part. As I recall, the full length of both loops is used in the BC band, whereas the center tapped config is for SW. On mine the 2 separate loops are wired together on top, and the third wire to the radio attached at that point.
:
:marv
:
:::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
::James,
:::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
:::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
:::
:::marv
:::
:::
::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
marv
::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:James,
::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::
::marv
::
::
:::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
James
Does your radio have a phonograph/record player? If it doesn't then my measurements will probably be ok. The radio with this low impedance loop antenna is quite sensitive and pretty much directional. I have noticed that it rejects noise well too.
Radiodoc
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::James,
::In my earlier posting, I noted that 2 separate loops are connected together at the top. In reality 1 END ONLY of each separate loop is connected midway, creating a center tap or folded dipole of sorts. All 3 connections are routed to the radio. The dimensions are as follows: 23 1/2"W x 24"H x 3/4" spacing between the parallel elements. It has a phenolic plate with attached peg that rotates in a bottom cabinet hole, and another phenolic plate at the top for terminating the ends, and is screw/spring attached to the chassis shelf with another rotating peg. The 4 corners have phenolic spacers placed diagonally. I can't vouch for the effectivness of this loop, but the radio outperforms all others in my collection in both BC and SW. The larger size certainly must contribute a great deal to captureing of the wave front.
::
::marv
::
::::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:::James,
::::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::::
::::marv
::::
::::
:::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
:
:Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
:James
marv
::James,
::In my earlier posting, I noted that 2 separate loops are connected together at the top. In reality 1 END ONLY of each separate loop is connected midway, creating a center tap or folded dipole of sorts. All 3 connections are routed to the radio. The dimensions are as follows: 23 1/2"W x 24"H x 3/4" spacing between the parallel elements. It has a phenolic plate with attached peg that rotates in a bottom cabinet hole, and another phenolic plate at the top for terminating the ends, and is screw/spring attached to the chassis shelf with another rotating peg. The 4 corners have phenolic spacers placed diagonally. I can't vouch for the effectivness of this loop, but the radio outperforms all others in my collection in both BC and SW. The larger size certainly must contribute a great deal to captureing of the wave front.
::
::marv
::
::::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:::James,
::::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::::
::::marv
::::
::::
:::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
:
:Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
:James
I can probably email you a picture of one of the loops if it may help or you could take Marv up on his offer for a diagram.
Radiodoc
************
::James,
::In my earlier posting, I noted that 2 separate loops are connected together at the top. In reality 1 END ONLY of each separate loop is connected midway, creating a center tap or folded dipole of sorts. All 3 connections are routed to the radio. The dimensions are as follows: 23 1/2"W x 24"H x 3/4" spacing between the parallel elements. It has a phenolic plate with attached peg that rotates in a bottom cabinet hole, and another phenolic plate at the top for terminating the ends, and is screw/spring attached to the chassis shelf with another rotating peg. The 4 corners have phenolic spacers placed diagonally. I can't vouch for the effectivness of this loop, but the radio outperforms all others in my collection in both BC and SW. The larger size certainly must contribute a great deal to captureing of the wave front.
::
::marv
::
::::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:::James,
::::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::::
::::marv
::::
::::
:::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
:
:Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
:James
James:
I think that's exactly what you should do. Making your own part should give you a kick not unlike making a part to restore an antique car or something like that. As for being shy of the harder tasks, ya gotta start somewhere, just like the rest of us "experts" did. We're just passing on what others told us.
Lewis
marv
::James,
::In my earlier posting, I noted that 2 separate loops are connected together at the top. In reality 1 END ONLY of each separate loop is connected midway, creating a center tap or folded dipole of sorts. All 3 connections are routed to the radio. The dimensions are as follows: 23 1/2"W x 24"H x 3/4" spacing between the parallel elements. It has a phenolic plate with attached peg that rotates in a bottom cabinet hole, and another phenolic plate at the top for terminating the ends, and is screw/spring attached to the chassis shelf with another rotating peg. The 4 corners have phenolic spacers placed diagonally. I can't vouch for the effectivness of this loop, but the radio outperforms all others in my collection in both BC and SW. The larger size certainly must contribute a great deal to captureing of the wave front.
::
::marv
::
::::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
:::James,
::::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
::::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
::::
::::marv
::::
::::
:::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
:
:Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
:James
:James,
:I've created a 2 page document of construction details for building a reasonable duplicate antenna for your set. I just need your email to put it on the wire.
:
:marv
:
:::James,
:::In my earlier posting, I noted that 2 separate loops are connected together at the top. In reality 1 END ONLY of each separate loop is connected midway, creating a center tap or folded dipole of sorts. All 3 connections are routed to the radio. The dimensions are as follows: 23 1/2"W x 24"H x 3/4" spacing between the parallel elements. It has a phenolic plate with attached peg that rotates in a bottom cabinet hole, and another phenolic plate at the top for terminating the ends, and is screw/spring attached to the chassis shelf with another rotating peg. The 4 corners have phenolic spacers placed diagonally. I can't vouch for the effectivness of this loop, but the radio outperforms all others in my collection in both BC and SW. The larger size certainly must contribute a great deal to captureing of the wave front.
:::
:::marv
:::
:::::Mine is a console and the antenna is supposed to be a large square pivoting frame...here is a pic from another site "http://www.pbase.com/token/image/61720503". I am missing this entire assembly and wondering what to substitute. I am a noob to the hobby and frankly the antennas are confusing me more than the radio! The "slinky antennas" are the ones found on ebay under a "shortwave antenna" search. I was just wondering if I wired one up outside if it would substitute and just going without the built in antenna.
::::James,
:::::My 42-1008 Radio/phono console has a large pivoting
:::::assembly within the cabinet, and surrounding the phono pull-out. Its been sold, but not delivered, and could get some .jpgs. Is yours a table model or console? I would guess the slinky antenna is not suitable for a restoration.
:::::
:::::marv
:::::
:::::
::::::Hi all...I just found this radio but it is missing the large square antenna it came with. I found one on ebay that is a 42-1005. Will this one work? I have no idea what the original part number was. And if that dont work how bout one of those antennas on ebay that look like a slinky? Thanks
::
::Wow I never expected such help with my question. It is obvious this is a close community and I certainly appreciate everyone's responses and patience with a novice. With such knowledge on tap I am wondering how bad it would be to make an antenna. Being a new hobby for me I have been a little shy of the harder tasks. However, I do have an engineering degree and with virtually a forum full of experts I don't want a measly antenna to hold up progress. I do appreciate originality though and this is an all original unit in great shape minus an antenna and some boogered up veneer on the top but ya gotta do what ya gotta do. If some of you guys would hold my hand so to speak I would certainly give it a shot. Whatcha think?
::James