I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
I can't believe this?
I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.

Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol

http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

:I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:I can't believe this?
:I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:
:Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:Hi Pete
Well, the only reason I could see for that, is possibly he felt it was a dangerous idea, don't know, but your right this is supposed to be for free exchange of non professional ideas, by the way I must have missed your experiment with the 30uf cap, could you explain to me how you were able to sub a cap for a transformer, sounds very interesting too me.
Mark
:http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

Mark:

Sure.. it's right here a couple of posts down.

Also you can follow the link I left to the ARF post.

Peter

These things can be taken to extremes. Do we need to tell everyone to replace frayed line cords? How about plugging a radio that hasn't been used in 50 years.

You were mentioning something you tried that worked, that's all.

Norm

:Mark:
:
:Sure.. it's right here a couple of posts down.
:
:Also you can follow the link I left to the ARF post.

:Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!

You just found out what ARF is about now. Wait, maybe they'll add the disclaimer or simply delete your post?

What do they expect ? Maybe members should start discussing mowing grass with plastic scissors so "newbies" don't have the stupid idea of using a gaz mower and hurt themselves...

I second what Peter Bertini says though...

I'm suprised your post wasn't deleted Peter. This is what the ARF has evolved into. Newer members do not know how the Forum used to operate and are more then willing to agree to the new protocol. . The policy change where moderater's can simply delete, edit or move a post not in their own forum has hurt the ARF.Alan V. just doesn't see it. Many valuable members have left or have been forced out because of this. Probably the worst I've seen was when a moderator accused a long time member (let's call him Mr.X) of making a post under another name with no proof. Norm is not one of theese.

It's interesting that the Nostalgiaair forum, which is unmoderated, seems more polite and civil than ARF, which is moderated up the ying-yang.
Doug

:I'm suprised your post wasn't deleted Peter. This is what the ARF has evolved into. Newer members do not know how the Forum used to operate and are more then willing to agree to the new protocol. . The policy change where moderater's can simply delete, edit or move a post not in their own forum has hurt the ARF.Alan V. just doesn't see it. Many valuable members have left or have been forced out because of this. Probably the worst I've seen was when a moderator accused a long time member (let's call him Mr.X) of making a post under another name with no proof. Norm is not one of theese.

:Probably the worst I've seen was when a moderator accused a long time member (let's call him Mr.X) of making a post under another name with no proof. Norm is not one of theese.

If all moderators were named Norm or Lou, there problem would be less. Alan knows about the problems BTW. He probably prefers quantity to quality. Sad.

Well, I can't really blame the ARF moderators for a spirit of nastiness, argumentativeness, and criticism that sometimes breaks out between posters. But, I can't explain it either. Seems ironic that it very seldom, if ever, happens here on an unmoderated forum.
Doug

::Probably the worst I've seen was when a moderator accused a long time member (let's call him Mr.X) of making a post under another name with no proof. Norm is not one of theese.
:
:If all moderators were named Norm or Lou, there problem would be less. Alan knows about the problems BTW. He probably prefers quantity to quality. Sad.

Maybe having "moderators" is the problem.

.. a little power goes to their heads too soon.
There seems to be a lot of potential little "Hitlers" floating around out there...lol

The first day I was in the Army at receiving camp...we were about 20 men... a mixed lot of disorganized civilians housed in some barracks for the weekend doing nothing and just waiting for "real" training to start on Monday..
Well a real sergeant gave one civilian an armband with a stripe on it and told him he was in charge of marching us to the mess hall each day... lol
What a crazy thing! That guy started immediately to act like Hitler!!.. He started barking orders and screaming at people and treatening everyone...lol

So a little power can be VERY dangerous.... and it seems that those guys who volunteer for positions as moderators are usually guys who are just a little too hungry for power.
What a joke.

:I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:I can't believe this?
:I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:
:Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:
:http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

Re: That earlier post when I hooked an emergency light up to 400 Hz, and butned my hand, can I sue the manufacturer for not putting a label on the lamp, saying "Do not test this lamp with 400 Hz.", or Delta for not putting a label on the 400 Hz. outlet saying "Do not test 60 Hz. equipment on this 400 Hz. test set."???

Gee, I must be stupid.

Lewis

Lewis and others: if you want to run a device with a voltage dropping cap at 400 Hz (that was intended for 60 Hz): replace the 60-Hz cap with a smaller value cap, C400 = C60 x (60/400).

If that doesn't work, have your lawyer talk to Lewis' lawyer.
Doug

:
:Re: That earlier post when I hooked an emergency light up to 400 Hz, and butned my hand, can I sue the manufacturer for not putting a label on the lamp, saying "Do not test this lamp with 400 Hz.", or Delta for not putting a label on the 400 Hz. outlet saying "Do not test 60 Hz. equipment on this 400 Hz. test set."???
:
:Gee, I must be stupid.
:
:Lewis

:Lewis and others: if you want to run a device with a voltage dropping cap at 400 Hz (that was intended for 60 Hz): replace the 60-Hz cap with a smaller value cap, C400 = C60 x (60/400).
:
:If that doesn't work, have your lawyer talk to Lewis' lawyer.
:Doug

The thing was designed to plug into the wall of my 69 Hz. house, and light up when the power failed. The airplanes have emergency lights, of course, most have 6 Volt Ni-cads that charge off of the 28 Volt DC emergency bus, and usse a resistor to trickle charge the battery. This particular one didn't light up, so I took it to work and tried to check it on 400 Hz. I may be stupid about using lawyers, but I sure am smarter about plugging things into other things when I don't know what I am doing.

Lewis
::
::Re: That earlier post when I hooked an emergency light up to 400 Hz, and butned my hand, can I sue the manufacturer for not putting a label on the lamp, saying "Do not test this lamp with 400 Hz.", or Delta for not putting a label on the 400 Hz. outlet saying "Do not test 60 Hz. equipment on this 400 Hz. test set."???
::
::Gee, I must be stupid.
::
::Lewis

Peter,
The same thing is happening all around us, considering our perpetual lawsuit society.
ie McDonalds hot coffee spill, the entire medical profession. Too many lawyers doing too much lawyering, TOO MUCH GREED, and a very IRRESPONSIBLE consuming public.

marv

:I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:I can't believe this?
:I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:
:Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:
:http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

Hi Everyone,

I read a class action suit notice in the Sunday Parade magazine that illustrates Peter's comment about lawyers.

In short it read that any members represented by the class action suit would not get any monetary awards but the lawyers would get $25,000,000 is fees.

Something wrong with this picture.

Mike M.

:Peter,
:The same thing is happening all around us, considering our perpetual lawsuit society.
:ie McDonalds hot coffee spill, the entire medical profession. Too many lawyers doing too much lawyering, TOO MUCH GREED, and a very IRRESPONSIBLE consuming public.
:
:marv
:
::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
::I can't believe this?
::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
::
::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
::
::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

The lawyer threw the ball in the air, but the jury, our peers, ran with it. People seem to think that if someone gets injured someone else has to pay. We don't seem to hold anyone responsable for there own actions. PL

:Peter,
:The same thing is happening all around us, considering our perpetual lawsuit society.
:ie McDonalds hot coffee spill, the entire medical profession. Too many lawyers doing too much lawyering, TOO MUCH GREED, and a very IRRESPONSIBLE consuming public.
:
:marv
:
::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
::I can't believe this?
::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
::
::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
::
::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

:I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:I can't believe this?
:I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:
:Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:
:http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424

Hi Peter,
I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
Do I have it, or is there another reason.

Best Regards,

Bill Grimm

There may be a reason in addition to cost and 25-Hz. Large, good (low-leakage) caps were seemingly unavailable in early days. Manufacturers used resistance line cords for AC/DC sets, not voltage dropping caps.

A 60-Hz dropping cap should not pose a hazard if plugged into 25 Hz, but the heater string wouldn't get adequate voltage.

Talk about safety! - resistance line cords would never be permitted under today's standards. Yet, if they are in good condition, they can be operated fine.
Doug

:
:Hi Peter,
: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
:
:Best Regards,
:
:Bill Grimm

:There may be a reason in addition to cost and 25-Hz. Large, good (low-leakage) caps were seemingly unavailable in early days. Manufacturers used resistance line cords for AC/DC sets, not voltage dropping caps.
:
:A 60-Hz dropping cap should not pose a hazard if plugged into 25 Hz, but the heater string wouldn't get adequate voltage.
:
:Talk about safety! - resistance line cords would never be permitted under today's standards. Yet, if they are in good condition, they can be operated fine.
:Doug
:
::
::Hi Peter,
:: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
:: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
::
::Best Regards,
::
::Bill Grimm

Thank you Doug,
I suppose the re-occuring theme is that good quality capacitors were not available in the 1930's.
I just saw the postings below on this, too.

Best Regards,

Bill

Hi

Also radios were called AC/DC. Can't use a radio on DC if cap was used for dropping filament voltage.

Norm

::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
::I can't believe this?
::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
::
::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
::
::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424
:
:Hi Peter,
: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
:
:Best Regards,
:
:Bill Grimm

:Hi
:
: Also radios were called AC/DC. Can't use a radio on DC if cap was used for dropping filament voltage.
:
:Norm
:
:
:::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:::I can't believe this?
:::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:::
:::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:::
:::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424
::
::Hi Peter,
:: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
:: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
::
::Best Regards,
::
::Bill Grimm

Hi Norm,
Ah yes. I didn't think of that one, but did anyone ever use DC to operate an AC/DC radio?

All the Best,

Bill

Bill: My understanding is that DC was supplied in certain areas of New York and possible elsewhere until post-WW2.

But, the number of AC/DC radios operated on DC was undoubtedly quite small.

An AC/DC radio operated on 115-V DC would have lower B+ voltages than if operated on 115-V AC, but probably not enough to keep it from working OK.

A major problem with DC is that induction motors, like in air-conditioners, washing machines, etc., don't work.
Doug

::Hi
::
:: Also radios were called AC/DC. Can't use a radio on DC if cap was used for dropping filament voltage.
::
::Norm
::
::
::::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
::::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
::::I can't believe this?
::::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
::::
::::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
::::
::::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424
:::
:::Hi Peter,
::: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
::: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
:::
:::Best Regards,
:::
:::Bill Grimm
:
:Hi Norm,
: Ah yes. I didn't think of that one, but did anyone ever use DC to operate an AC/DC radio?
:
:All the Best,
:
:Bill

::Hi
::
:: Also radios were called AC/DC. Can't use a radio on DC if cap was used for dropping filament voltage.
::
::Norm
::
::
::::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
::::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
::::I can't believe this?
::::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
::::
::::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
::::
::::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424
:::
:::Hi Peter,
::: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
::: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
:::
:::Best Regards,
:::
:::Bill Grimm
:
:Hi Norm,
: Ah yes. I didn't think of that one, but did anyone ever use DC to operate an AC/DC radio?
:
:All the Best,
:
:Bill

I remember a display that was at the Smithsonian, where there was part of a DC power distribution system that was removed from, I believe, New York City somewhere, where they used DC in a small part of the city until 1977. This is a memory from a long time ago, and I am sure has errors. If anyone has corrections, please share them.
Lewis

If this radio was using a transformer to get the 6.3 volts, then I doubt that it was labeled AC/DC...I am sure it was AC only.

Bill

:Hi
:
: Also radios were called AC/DC. Can't use a radio on DC if cap was used for dropping filament voltage.
:
:Norm
:
:
:::I posted on ARF about my experiment that I also posted here about my using a 30uf cap to replace the filament transformer... right?
:::Now the moderator there is indicating that I should beware of beginners taking my advice ...and seems that he wants me to be posting legal disclaimers or be liable or some such wild silly crazy thing!!!!
:::I can't believe this?
:::I thought that these forums are for the free exchange of "non-professional" ideas and information and personal experiences for other hobbyists to share in.
:::
:::Not as some kind of a LEGAL radio repair advice service with all the attendant liabilities.... lol
:::
:::http://antiqueradios.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=73424
::
::Hi Peter,
:: I read the posting on how to use the 30uF capacitor to replace a filament winding. My only quesiton is, why didn't manufaacturers use this? I can think of two reasons, first, bipolar capacitors may have been very expensive back then. Second, many vintage radios were made when 25Hz power was still around, and of course this circuit is power frequency sensitive.
:: Do I have it, or is there another reason.
::
::Best Regards,
::
::Bill Grimm

I think that anytime someone works on an old radio they are taking certain risks. I doubt that newbies would attempt something like you describe because it would be way over their heads. But, there are risks involved in everything that we do, such as driving a car, eating the wrong foods, etc.

I see the subsequent posters support you in that his comments are out of line. If his thinking ever comes to pass we would need to start and end every sentence on this, and other like forums, with disclaimers. I noticed there is one Sr. poster on ARF that already does that. Perhaps he was scolded by the same moderator.

I hear there is a big need now for "Newbie-Protecting" moderators in the children's book section.
( Children, after all, are classified as "newbies" right?... So there's quite a lot to do protecting them from the big un-safe "bug-a-boo" world out there.)

... Rumor has it that a certain Mr. Chicken Little posted something about the sky falling.... and ( fool that he is) he completely failed to thoroughly research and post all the attendant required safety information.

Oooooh...