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2/5/2007 12:43:15 PMsean
Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet
2/5/2007 12:44:03 PMsorry, resistance line cord caps?
:Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet
2/5/2007 1:46:26 PMLewis L.
::Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet


This seems to be a very simple way to lower a Voltage, and the needed capacity is found by using Xc=1/2 Pi F C, where C is in Farads, and 1/2 means "one over 2 pi". I am bothered by the fact that large, heat producing resistors are used instead of capacitors in just about every application. The capacitor found in a motor is to produce a phase shift between the starting and running winding, to get a single phase motor turning in the first place. Again I ask, why aren't capacitors used to drop Voltages more??

2/5/2007 2:03:19 PMLewis L.
:::Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet
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:This seems to be a very simple way to lower a Voltage, and the needed capacity is found by using Xc=1/2 Pi F C, where C is in Farads, and 1/2 means "one over 2 pi". I am bothered by the fact that large, heat producing resistors are used instead of capacitors in just about every application. The capacitor found in a motor is to produce a phase shift between the starting and running winding, to get a single phase motor turning in the first place. Again I ask, why aren't capacitors used to drop Voltages more??


:Me again, I found my calculator and determined that your 5Uf cap is 530.5 Ohms at 60 Hz.
Lewis L
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2/5/2007 2:09:48 PMDoug Criner
For the caps, search for Solen caps. Get a 600+ Volt cap.

Resistance line cords appeared in pre-war AC/DC radios. Suitable non-polarized film caps then would have been very large, physically, and expensive - if available at all.

Also, using a voltage dropping cap, the radio would operate on AC only - and there were DC utility systems then. I don't know if this was a consideration, though.

The formula for calculating the required Xc given above isn't quite the whole story. The value Xc is 90 deg out of phase with the resistive impedance of the filaments - so a little trig is necessary.


:::Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet
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:This seems to be a very simple way to lower a Voltage, and the needed capacity is found by using Xc=1/2 Pi F C, where C is in Farads, and 1/2 means "one over 2 pi". I am bothered by the fact that large, heat producing resistors are used instead of capacitors in just about every application. The capacitor found in a motor is to produce a phase shift between the starting and running winding, to get a single phase motor turning in the first place. Again I ask, why aren't capacitors used to drop Voltages more??
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2/5/2007 9:04:18 PMSPARK
capacitors short. resistors open. opening is better than shorting. don't you think?
2/5/2007 9:57:15 PMDoug Criner
You can - and probably should - add a fuse to sets using a voltage dropping capacitor. Actually, I usually add a fuse to all AC-powered sets.

You can replace a resistance line cord with a power resistor, but there may be inadequate room in the set and it will add a lot of heat to the chassis/cabinet.

You can sometimes reduce the amount of voltage drop required by substituting equivalent tubes with higher filament voltage requirements, but the same current draw. Also, adding a diode to the filament string will reduce the effective rms voltage by about 30%.

A resistance line cord, by today's standards, is not acceptable, safety-wise - even if it's in decent shape.

Another approach is to use a transformer to drop the filament string's voltage to the appropriate level.

:capacitors short. resistors open. opening is better than shorting. don't you think?

2/6/2007 12:07:22 AMsuper
A resistance line cord is only as dangerous as the person using it. If it's in fine shape, and you don't leave the radio unattended, then it poses no risk. Nothing on the radio is so flammable that it will explode into flames. The cord will start smoldering, first, if it should catch fire. Any person with a normal response rate has enough time to unplug the radio and douse the flames with water. If a normal load is imposed upon the resistor, it is highly unlikely that it will ever start on fire. The failure of a resistance line cord is almost always due to breakage of the resistance wire. That they start fires under any circumstance other than some unknowing individual using the cord for the wrong purpose is most likely a false rumor. There is no need to replace a resistance line cord that is in fine condition.
2/5/2007 8:45:22 PMplanigan
Sean, Hi, if your looking for a source for caps, try JustRadios.com. I found they have the best varity and they ship ground pretty fast. Actually, caps are their major forte. PL


::Hello I was reading about resistance line cords, installing resistors, using capacitors and well, I did remember I had a window air conditioner that the motor took a dump so I took out the cap and it was 5 uf.....well it works but its of course 2 uf too small......I would like to get the axial lead caps the the person named "dick" has found that have axial leads, small and easy to mount......but who has them...my motor start capacitor is quite large and just doesnt seem to be feasable......anyone know who has these axial 7uf caps?....as far as electrolytics back to back its mentioned of overheating?...well either they do or dont and I am still on the fence as to whether I should try them or not...I havnt seemed to find a surplus place near me yet

2/5/2007 10:25:03 PMpeter g. balazsy
This site will teach you all about it:

http://vintage-radio.com/repair-restore-information/valve_dropper-calcs.html

And here he give you a link to an Excel spreadsheet to calculate everthing.
It works great!!
http://vintage-radio.com/download/vintage-radio-calculations.zip

2/5/2007 11:17:44 PMLewis Linson
:This site will teach you all about it:
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:http://vintage-radio.com/repair-restore-information/valve_dropper-calcs.html
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:And here he give you a link to an Excel spreadsheet to calculate everthing.
:It works great!!
:http://vintage-radio.com/download/vintage-radio-calculations.zip

Very good, Peter. I will bookmark these sites and study them for quite a while. I do have a bit of a funny story concerning a household emergency light with a Ni-Cad battery in it that was charged from the AC mains through a capacitor. I went to test this little light, and as I worked for an airline, our test bench had 400 Hertz for all the test positions. Forgetting about this, I plugged my little light into 400 instead of 60 Hertz, and when the smoke cleared, I no longer had to worry about fixing my bedroom night light. A lot of stuff went to component heaven that afternoon.
Lewis L.



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