Is it me? Am I missing something here??
Check out the $50-$75 prices for these freakin old leaky capacitors... lol

http://www.soundchamberrepairs.com/Mframes.htm

I mean.. even if they love the sound they get from leaky old capacitors... can't they simply measure the leakage and residual capacitance and make up a similar r-c circuit to replicate the effect?????
How crazy is this world...???

Also check out their page of use potentiometers selling in the $125 price range????
What makes "stackpole" and "CTS" pots so valuable compared to a newlt manufactured audio taper pot?

Again.. what's missing here?
It must be me.

I don't get it.

Seems a little crazy. I guess most of us with used parts have a gold mine. In the tube section why are most tubes listed as pre-amp. Are high voltage rectifier tubes pre-amps? Maybe the prices are in YEN.
Have a great CHRISTmas.

MRO

They have to be kidding. I bought hundreds of these which were new NOS, and all were bad. I actually didn't buy them, they just came with the group of stuff I bought years ago. Many were thrown away, while others were used for their leads. I wonder if they buy old caps. I may stll be sitting on a gold mine.

Why would anyone want to buy bad caps? Go figure.

Jim

I wouldn't mind having a lot of old CTS pots if they worked correctly, but I wouldn't pay $125 for each one, and I certainly wouldn't buy old capacitors. They're almost always leaky. I used to keep old capacitors from old radios and such and actually use them. Sometimes I couldn't figure out why the circuits would distort, etc. Now I throw them away, or just keep them for the art if they're really cool.

From what I understand these Guitar guys buy them because they hve found that their amplifier or guitar makes a particular "good or desireable" sound when the capacitors leak somewhat... lol
Now they fail to address the thing technically... they seem to just tink that these old caps are valuable "because they leak" OMG!!!!
Why not just measure how much leakage is "good", then measure that leakage as resistance.. and simply build an R-C equivelant circuit????

Unfortunately in today's world, real scientific and technical knowledge is viewed as a liability. Just look where those ^&%^* scientists have gotten the world . . .

Much easier for most folks in the USA today to believe in fanatasy.

Merry Christmas!

Frank
:From what I understand these Guitar guys buy them because they hve found that their amplifier or guitar makes a particular "good or desireable" sound when the capacitors leak somewhat... lol
:Now they fail to address the thing technically... they seem to just tink that these old caps are valuable "because they leak" OMG!!!!
:Why not just measure how much leakage is "good", then measure that leakage as resistance.. and simply build an R-C equivelant circuit????
:

:Unfortunately in today's world, real scientific and technical knowledge is viewed as a liability. Just look where those ^&%^* scientists have gotten the world . . .
:
:Much easier for most folks in the USA today to believe in fanatasy.
:
:Merry Christmas!

I've bumped into a few organ folks who are somewhat against replacing the caps in the tonewheel. Again it's a "sound" thing. Just in case any of you have some of those bumblebees you want to toss out I'll take them. I fantasize about getting a place on the outer banks!

Bill VA
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:Frank
::From what I understand these Guitar guys buy them because they hve found that their amplifier or guitar makes a particular "good or desireable" sound when the capacitors leak somewhat... lol
::Now they fail to address the thing technically... they seem to just tink that these old caps are valuable "because they leak" OMG!!!!
::Why not just measure how much leakage is "good", then measure that leakage as resistance.. and simply build an R-C equivelant circuit????
::

It is unfortunate to think that this may be why guitarists promote tube amplifiers.

Peter. Want that box of caps back??

T.

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:Is it me? Am I missing something here??
:Check out the $50-$75 prices for these freakin old leaky capacitors... lol
:
:http://www.soundchamberrepairs.com/Mframes.htm
:
:I mean.. even if they love the sound they get from leaky old capacitors... can't they simply measure the leakage and residual capacitance and make up a similar r-c circuit to replicate the effect?????
:How crazy is this world...???
:

Have you ever paid 50$ for a hard to get Bakelite knob to complete a radio ? Although it may seem ridiculous to radio collectors, 125$ for a used pot to return a 1962 Fender or a '53 Gibson in it's original state (using original parts that is) isn't much, considering
the guitar may well be worth 10,000$.

I have a 1954 plastic French Zenith remote phono (also called an attachment), 450$...Who's nutz ? If I tell them I paid 450$ for that little plastic phono, they'll either think I'm nutz or believe I am sane enough to know it is well worth it...The original little black plastic cartridge (if you can find one) not rebuilt (read:dead) is worth 100$ ! Who's the craziest ?

Z-

I think maybe I am going to start going through the boxes of old caps to sell them. Is there actually a market for them? I figue, if they are crazy enough to buy them, I'll be crazy enough to sell them. It'll help pay for my house. I just wonder how many 100's, if not thousans of $'s worth of caps I have thrown away.

Jim

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::Is it me? Am I missing something here??
::Check out the $50-$75 prices for these freakin old leaky capacitors... lol
::
::http://www.soundchamberrepairs.com/Mframes.htm
::
::I mean.. even if they love the sound they get from leaky old capacitors... can't they simply measure the leakage and residual capacitance and make up a similar r-c circuit to replicate the effect?????
::How crazy is this world...???
::
:
:Have you ever paid 50$ for a hard to get Bakelite knob to complete a radio ? Although it may seem ridiculous to radio collectors, 125$ for a used pot to return a 1962 Fender or a '53 Gibson in it's original state (using original parts that is) isn't much, considering
:the guitar may well be worth 10,000$.
:
:I have a 1954 plastic French Zenith remote phono (also called an attachment), 450$...Who's nutz ? If I tell them I paid 450$ for that little plastic phono, they'll either think I'm nutz or believe I am sane enough to know it is well worth it...The original little black plastic cartridge (if you can find one) not rebuilt (read:dead) is worth 100$ ! Who's the craziest ?
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:Z-

Good Point.

Bill VA

If they are buying these things ( pots ) to "restore" original.. then it makes sense.. ok.. I guess..
But I don't think that THAT is the reason they want the .022uf bumblebee caps. No, that's because they are leaking... and they like the sound it makes that way. So what my point was...
Why don't they calculate the leakage and make an equivalent circuit.

Peter,
Well, first of all the set would no longer be original, unless you can find a way to hide the resistor inside the cap. A very sophisticated leakage measurement would be required to get that "just so-so sound effect" How many guitar pickers have the technical savvy/equipment/time to measure and reproduce the required leakage for that so-so sound effect(s). A very few I would guess. Chet Atkins and Les Paul were 2 technical wizrds with such stuff, but Chet having long since passed. Last but not least. Are these caps advertised with the stated amount or any leakage or just the original mfr and/or amp they were used in. On my last few restorations, a large coffee can for each one contains all the wire and replaced components. Maybe I should take an inventory, and if the whole Forum did likewise, we could join forces to undersell them.

marv

:If they are buying these things ( pots ) to "restore" original.. then it makes sense.. ok.. I guess..
:But I don't think that THAT is the reason they want the .022uf bumblebee caps. No, that's because they are leaking... and they like the sound it makes that way. So what my point was...
:Why don't they calculate the leakage and make an equivalent circuit.
:

Maybe I should take an inventory, and if the whole Forum did likewise, we could join forces to undersell them.
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:marv
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WRONG marketing approach Marv.
.. WE should RAISE the price because our caps are being sold from "experienced" (and old) technical guys who know a leaky cap when they see one... thus adding significant dollar value... at least an increase commensurate with the degree of leakage.... lol

:If they are buying these things ( pots ) to "restore" original.. then it makes sense.. ok.. I guess..
:But I don't think that THAT is the reason they want the .022uf bumblebee caps. No, that's because they are leaking... and they like the sound it makes that way. So what my point was...
:Why don't they calculate the leakage and make an equivalent circuit.
:

I'm sorry guyz but I think you got it all wrong. Sure, those caps are leaking, when used with some voltage applied, but those caps are used as tone controls _inside_ the guitar and the most volatge they will ever see is about 500mv coming from the magentic pickups.

Although "some" guitarists may think they sound differently, many only want to bring their gear as close to original as possible. As I said previously, an early Gibson guitar, all original may fetch 25-30% more than one that's been modded. Enough to justify the expense.

Z-

Peter,
Me thinks you have too much time on your hands. Ever think of taking up a hobby? lol

marv

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:Is it me? Am I missing something here??
:Check out the $50-$75 prices for these freakin old leaky capacitors... lol
:
:http://www.soundchamberrepairs.com/Mframes.htm
:
:I mean.. even if they love the sound they get from leaky old capacitors... can't they simply measure the leakage and residual capacitance and make up a similar r-c circuit to replicate the effect?????
:How crazy is this world...???
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