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Dial Face Suggestions
12/24/2006 1:57:00 PMSteve H
All,
I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
You can see an image here:
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o

Thanks !
Steve

12/24/2006 6:09:46 PMElton
:All,
: I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
:You can see an image here:
:http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o

Steve, is there anyway you can remove the dial and scan it into a computer, then use paint shop or some other program to replicate it I have done this in the past with dials that are not back lit, and they turned out preety good.
E.
:
:Thanks !
: Steve

12/24/2006 6:31:13 PMMarv Nuce
:All,
: I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
:You can see an image here:
:http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o
:
:Thanks !
: Steve
12/24/2006 6:56:05 PMMarv Nuce
Steve,
As Elton suggested, and assuming the dial glass is backlit clear glass, scan the dial face at a 1 to 1 scale. Use Adobe or one of the many text/graphics applications to recreate a picture file of the whole glass, then use the MIRROR IMAGE MODE to print just the numbers on a clear water slide decal sheet. Place it on the back of the glass, and the numbers will now be correct. It could be overcoated with a crystal clear acrylic to seal it to the glass, but getting it to look just like the glass alone may be troublesome. You won't be able to print white numbers if thats the original color.

marv

:All,
: I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
:You can see an image here:
:http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o
:
:Thanks !
: Steve

12/25/2006 1:46:16 AMThomas Dermody
If you have a laser printer, gold and white toners are sold. Laser 'inks' will hold up better than ink jet inks anyway, so it is wise to use one if possible. I am working on my own decal for a different device (Mixmaster). I am going to save it to disc and then see if I can take it to Kinkos, which has laser printers. I don't have the money for my own, or else I'd buy one. I don't know if Kinkos has gold toners, but I don't need gold for what I am doing.

T.

12/25/2006 2:16:18 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Thomas:
REALLY.... white and gold toner... for a rgular laser printer?
Sounds great. I have an HP laser Jet model-6MP

Where can I find this stuff for my printer.?? HUh HUh HUH??? drool


12/25/2006 12:51:15 PMZ-
:Thomas:
:REALLY.... white and gold toner... for a rgular laser printer?
:Sounds great. I have an HP laser Jet model-6MP
:
:Where can I find this stuff for my printer.?? HUh HUh HUH??? drool
:
:

White toner: http://www.atttransfer.com/sublilaser.html

Gold ? Haven't seen it yet for standard laser printers.

Keep dreaming if you expect these toners to work with your old HP....;o)

You could make good money printing white decals and dials for Hallicrafters radios...8^)

Z-

12/25/2006 6:12:58 PMPeter G. Balazsy
Thanks.. I went there t6o see but my HP laser jet wasn't listed so I tried to ask via their email form but there is a problem with the form software... arrrgh ... lol
so i'll have to wait and call.
12/25/2006 4:23:14 PMThomas Dermody
Well, whoever prints those decals at Rock Sea uses gold, right? I read somewhere on a model RR site that you can get special colors for making decals.

T.

12/25/2006 6:10:44 PMPeter G. Balazsy
:Well, whoever prints those decals at Rock Sea uses gold, right? I read somewhere on a model RR site that you can get special colors for making decals.
:
:T.

Thomas:
Rock Sea sold to RadioDaze.
I don't know if they use a laser printer or not.
The only well-known home user printer that prints white is an Alps.
What is a "model RR" site?

12/25/2006 11:35:01 PMThomas Dermody
Model rail road. Rock Sea or whatever it is now uses computers to make the decals. They most likely use a laser printer. The ink is the toner kind of ink, not ink-jet ink.

T.

12/25/2006 11:59:15 PMZ-
:Model rail road. Rock Sea or whatever it is now uses computers to make the decals. They most likely use a laser printer. The ink is the toner kind of ink, not ink-jet ink.
:
:T.

No they're not. They use sublimation printers (ALPS) which is far from being a laser printer. It's a ribbon much like some cheapo fax printer, using some sort of wax. I won't go into details, simply search ALPS printers using google.

Z-

12/26/2006 12:07:52 AMPeter G. Balazsy
I didn't say ALPS was a laser printer.

All I had heard was that some ALPS models DO print white. ( how I don't have a clue)
.. maybe it's an opaque ribbon I don't know.

.. but Dye Sublimation printers also use single-use "ribbons" that carry the dyes... right?

12/26/2006 12:13:48 AMZ-
:I didn't say ALPS was a laser printer.

Thomas seems to think dial scales and decals are made using a laser. They are not. my reply was to him

Follow the tree of the thread Peter....;^)

Z-

12/26/2006 12:51:23 AMPeter G. Balazsy
Well as I said I don't know what RadioDaze uses... but...I make all my my own dial scales and decals using both inkjet and laser.
http://www.pbpix.com/radio/4dials.jpg
12/26/2006 1:01:57 AMZ-
:Well as I said I don't know what RadioDaze uses... but...I make all my my own dial scales and decals using both inkjet and laser.
:http://www.pbpix.com/radio/4dials.jpg
:

That race track Howard musta been fun to do. Neat job.

I believe ink jet is fine as long as you can "lock" the ink using clear coating and be careful.

I did a gold Firestone label once using information shared by Stewart Schooley years ago on a busy exchange about faux-finish. Following Stewart's suggestion, I printed the decal's black "surround" reversed using an HP inkjet and used a gold pen to fill in the void. Clear coat, applied on the radio, a few more clear coats on top and I got a perfect decal.

Lotsa work for a single decal, but as a proof of concept, it worked kinda well.

Z-

12/25/2006 2:23:02 AMSteve H
All,
Thanks for the suggestions...However, I am pretty sure that the numbers are 'embossed' onto a plastic like sheet...So they are raised above the background...

I remember one trick where you paint the whole face gold, and let it dry. Then paint the whole thing black, and quickly rub a sponge over the face to remove the paint from the raised areas. This could be tricky though....


:Steve,
:As Elton suggested, and assuming the dial glass is backlit clear glass, scan the dial face at a 1 to 1 scale. Use Adobe or one of the many text/graphics applications to recreate a picture file of the whole glass, then use the MIRROR IMAGE MODE to print just the numbers on a clear water slide decal sheet. Place it on the back of the glass, and the numbers will now be correct. It could be overcoated with a crystal clear acrylic to seal it to the glass, but getting it to look just like the glass alone may be troublesome. You won't be able to print white numbers if thats the original color.
:
:marv
:
::All,
:: I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
::You can see an image here:
::http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o
::
::Thanks !
:: Steve

12/26/2006 6:48:03 PMHere's the Dial
http://www.flickr.com/photos/veedubrocco/334486801/

:All,
: Thanks for the suggestions...However, I am pretty sure that the numbers are 'embossed' onto a plastic like sheet...So they are raised above the background...
:
:I remember one trick where you paint the whole face gold, and let it dry. Then paint the whole thing black, and quickly rub a sponge over the face to remove the paint from the raised areas. This could be tricky though....
:
:
::Steve,
::As Elton suggested, and assuming the dial glass is backlit clear glass, scan the dial face at a 1 to 1 scale. Use Adobe or one of the many text/graphics applications to recreate a picture file of the whole glass, then use the MIRROR IMAGE MODE to print just the numbers on a clear water slide decal sheet. Place it on the back of the glass, and the numbers will now be correct. It could be overcoated with a crystal clear acrylic to seal it to the glass, but getting it to look just like the glass alone may be troublesome. You won't be able to print white numbers if thats the original color.
::
::marv
::
:::All,
::: I finished up the resto on my Stewart-Warner Phonograph/Radio; and now I am focused on the dial face. It seems like had a black background, with gold numbers. The only problem is that my paint skills are no where near what this would require - does anyone have suggestions ?
:::You can see an image here:
:::http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=316575231&size=o
:::
:::Thanks !
::: Steve
:
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