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Philco 48-1262 speaker hook-up mystery
2/5/2006 11:25:39 AMDavid
Hello, I have a Philco 48-1262 and phonograph. The phonograph was removed and I never saw it. The mystery is what wire goes to what? The antenna seems pretty straight forward, but the wires for the speaker is the mystery. There are two wire that come out of the side of the chassis, white & brown. I think they are for the power for the phonograph as they are hooked to a modern BSR, and it powers up fine. Then there is a cloth covered cord that has a coaxil cable that is yellow inside. One end has been cut off and the other is pluged into the chassis and has three pins. I would think this is for the phonograph? So, where are the wires that would go to the speaker? I see no missing or cut wires.
Thanks
David
2/5/2006 2:45:50 PMThomas Dermody
Finding out where the speaker should hook up is a simple matter, really. Here is your schematic: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/614/M0013614.pdf

If an output transformer is present on the chassis, and has one of its primary wires connected to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube, then its secondary wires should be connected to the speaker. If the output transformer is mounted on the speaker, then its secondary wires are probably already connected to the speaker. Its primary wires are all which you need to connect. One should go to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube (this is the output tube, and pin 3 is the plate pin of this tube). If one wire is red and the other is blue, common practice has the blue one connected to pin 3 of the 35L6. The remaining primary wire should be connected at point D in the schematic. This point is after a resistor which connects to pin 7 of the 50Z7 tube (this is the rectifier tube, and pin 7 is the cathode of this rectifier).

Now regarding tube sockets (just in case you don't know), when you are looking at the underside of the chassis, and the tube key is facing you (the fat pin in the center of the base of the tube with a nub on it--the nub is the key), pin one is to the left of this key. The pin numbers progress clockwise around the base of the tube, and end on eight to the right of the key. If you are looking down at the top of the chassis (which isn't usually very useful if you are trying to make wire connections underneath the chassis), pin one is to the right of the key, and pin eight is to the left.

Thomas

2/5/2006 4:07:05 PMDavid
Hello, we talked about this before. there is no speaker. Basically all I have is the chassis and I bought a speaker 8 ohms from radio shack. What is the coaxil cable for?
2/5/2006 5:57:27 PMrghines1

To answer the question about the coaxial cable. It should have connected to phonograph cartridge.
2/5/2006 4:55:27 PMElton
David , I have the same set, the speaker wires should come out looking from the back of the set from the right side of the chassis near the power wires for the turntable, if none are present , you will have to use thomas's sugestion and trace them using the schematic.
Elton
:Finding out where the speaker should hook up is a simple matter, really. Here is your schematic: http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/614/M0013614.pdf
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:If an output transformer is present on the chassis, and has one of its primary wires connected to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube, then its secondary wires should be connected to the speaker. If the output transformer is mounted on the speaker, then its secondary wires are probably already connected to the speaker. Its primary wires are all which you need to connect. One should go to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube (this is the output tube, and pin 3 is the plate pin of this tube). If one wire is red and the other is blue, common practice has the blue one connected to pin 3 of the 35L6. The remaining primary wire should be connected at point D in the schematic. This point is after a resistor which connects to pin 7 of the 50Z7 tube (this is the rectifier tube, and pin 7 is the cathode of this rectifier).
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:Now regarding tube sockets (just in case you don't know), when you are looking at the underside of the chassis, and the tube key is facing you (the fat pin in the center of the base of the tube with a nub on it--the nub is the key), pin one is to the left of this key. The pin numbers progress clockwise around the base of the tube, and end on eight to the right of the key. If you are looking down at the top of the chassis (which isn't usually very useful if you are trying to make wire connections underneath the chassis), pin one is to the right of the key, and pin eight is to the left.
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:Thomas
2/5/2006 8:53:04 PMThomas Dermody
Sorry. I'm senile. Really, I am. I can say hello and goodnight to someone four times in a day here at the Pfister and never even remember that I saw them before. I guess it's part of the I'm bored with my job so I'm in a daze thing.

I think that the shielded cable is for your phonograph cartridge, as everyone else on here seems to agree on. I will look at your pictures that you sent me to-morrow, after school. If you do not have an output transformer for your speaker, go to Radio Shack and see if they have any P.A. line matching speaker transformers. The transformers will have high impedance primary taps marked in wattages, and secondaries marked in speaker impedances. Simply hook the appropriate secondary to your speaker (in this case 8 ohms). Hook the C primary lead, which stands for common, to the point marked D in the schematic, as I explained before. Start with the lowest wattage terminal and hook this to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube. This terminal should have the highest resistance when measured between it and the C terminal with your ohm meter. Test operation (that is, if your radio is otherwise in operating condition). Try each higher wattage terminal until optimum power and tonal quality is achieved as well as appropriate voltage on the plate of the output tube. When you achieve this, you may continue to use whichever wattage terminal that works best. You may also purchase a universal single ended output transformer from www.tubesandmore.com, but if you can get a P.A. transformer from Radio Shack, this will be more convenient, and will work just as well. When purchasing a transformer from www.tubesandmore.com, you only need one capable of handling 3 watts, though if there is a higher wattage UNIVERSAL type output transformer which is less expensive, go for that instead. Usually price increases with wattage increase.

Thomas

2/5/2006 11:45:29 PMThomas Dermody
You know, your pictures almost look like de-ja-vou (spelling???????). I swear I've seen them before. The transformer on the back of the chassis is likely your output transformer. If one of the primary leads connect to pin 3 of the 35L6 tube, then it definitely is. Look for the secondary leads. They should either connect to a socket or should just be free. If they connect to a socket, then this socket is your speaker socket. If the leads are free, then you can connect them directly to your speaker. The transformer is most likely for a 3.2 ohm speaker, so it would be best to use a 3.2 ohm speaker. Try your 8 ohm speaker. If not loud enough, try to obtain a 3.2 ohm speaker. Try the two and compare results. A 4 ohm speaker may work well. Compare results between a 4 and 8 ohm speaker.

The plug you show with the shielded wires will be your phonograph plug if some of the wires goes to the selector switch. One of the switches will connect to the phonograph wire(s) when the switch is turned to phono. Any ceramic cartridge can be used fairly successfully. Proper matching is achieved with the right condenser/resistor combination, if necessary. You do not need this matching, but audio may be harsh without it. Without knowing what a specific cartridge requires, you cannot know what to use. I could honestly only tell you what the best combination is if I experimentally hooked it up myself, as it also depends upon the radio amplifier and your personal preferences. A magnetic cartridge will work if equipped with a pre-amplifier.

Thomas

2/9/2006 7:47:30 AMDavid
Hello, after tracing the schematic I found that the terminal on the rear of the chassis were for the speaker not for the antenna and also this is a hot chassis and there is not a power transformer and that the transformer was for the speaker like you said.
Thanks
David
2/9/2006 11:28:23 AMThomas Dermody
Yeah, careful with the chassis. It's nice to work on it on livingroom carpeting, but solder bits in the carpeting will make others angry.

Thomas



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