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1/10/2006 9:43:10 PMmike
I'm working on a 1949 Stromberg-Carlson AM/FM radio, and I suspect that the filter choke in the power supply is bad. I have two questions:

1. Is it correct that if I don't get a continuity reading through the two leads of the choke that it is bad?

2. Assuming that I have to replace it, the schematic calls for .028 amps dc current; 320 ohms dc resistance; 5 henries inductance. The choke is relatively small, like a 1.5-inch cube. I don't see anything like it in the antique electronic supply catalogue. Can someone tell me how critical those ratings are? Which ones might be flexible? Thanks.

1/10/2006 11:05:28 PMNorm Leal
Hi Mike

You are correct, no continuity on a choke means it's open. Value isn't critical. Higher the henery the better filtering.

AES P-T155H is rated 5 henry, .050 amps & 270 ohms. This one will work. (page 28 in catalog)

Do you have any small transformers in your junk? Primary of an output transformer will also do the job.

Norm

:I'm working on a 1949 Stromberg-Carlson AM/FM radio, and I suspect that the filter choke in the power supply is bad. I have two questions:
:
:1. Is it correct that if I don't get a continuity reading through the two leads of the choke that it is bad?
:
:2. Assuming that I have to replace it, the schematic calls for .028 amps dc current; 320 ohms dc resistance; 5 henries inductance. The choke is relatively small, like a 1.5-inch cube. I don't see anything like it in the antique electronic supply catalogue. Can someone tell me how critical those ratings are? Which ones might be flexible? Thanks.

1/11/2006 8:28:59 AMMike
OK, Thanks again, Norm.

:Hi Mike
:
: You are correct, no continuity on a choke means it's open. Value isn't critical. Higher the henery the better filtering.
:
: AES P-T155H is rated 5 henry, .050 amps & 270 ohms. This one will work. (page 28 in catalog)
:
: Do you have any small transformers in your junk? Primary of an output transformer will also do the job.
:
:Norm
:
::I'm working on a 1949 Stromberg-Carlson AM/FM radio, and I suspect that the filter choke in the power supply is bad. I have two questions:
::
::1. Is it correct that if I don't get a continuity reading through the two leads of the choke that it is bad?
::
::2. Assuming that I have to replace it, the schematic calls for .028 amps dc current; 320 ohms dc resistance; 5 henries inductance. The choke is relatively small, like a 1.5-inch cube. I don't see anything like it in the antique electronic supply catalogue. Can someone tell me how critical those ratings are? Which ones might be flexible? Thanks.

1/11/2006 6:37:46 PMPeter Balazsy
The choke abouve costs about $10 plus shipping.
I agree as far a sticking to oroginal-looking parts, replacing the choke is the best but if you want to save money and improve things too...
check out this.
Radiodoc suggested this link in another related thread:
http://www.antiquewireless.org/otb/resto0504.htm

It is an "active choke" or better described as an active circuit for use as a choke replacement.

I ordered up the parts and built it. Great! Cheap too. less than $3 for the whole thing (I used a varible pot for r2) .... and what beautiful smooth DC you'll get. Ripple is virtually zero.

The last "used" choke I bought was $4 plus shipping.

1/11/2006 10:04:15 PMRadiodoc
:The choke abouve costs about $10 plus shipping.
:I agree as far a sticking to oroginal-looking parts, replacing the choke is the best but if you want to save money and improve things too...
:check out this.
:Radiodoc suggested this link in another related thread:
:http://www.antiquewireless.org/otb/resto0504.htm
:
:It is an "active choke" or better described as an active circuit for use as a choke replacement.
:
:I ordered up the parts and built it. Great! Cheap too. less than $3 for the whole thing (I used a varible pot for r2) .... and what beautiful smooth DC you'll get. Ripple is virtually zero.
:
:The last "used" choke I bought was $4 plus shipping.

Hi Peter,

If the original choke is on the chassis, the circuit can be made on a piece of perf board small enough to hide under the chassis keeping everything on top looking original.

Radiodoc

1/11/2006 10:28:09 PMPeter Balazsy
Hi Radiodoc:
Yes certainly I could do that. Chokes often are under the chassis... ( although not the last one I replaced... no room at all... the substitute perhaps was over sized... I had to ty-wrap it to the dynamic speaker off the chassis)
But even if I put it under the chassis, ...I still wanted to do something that will 'pot' the whole thing perhaps in a plastic lump like a 'potted-module" so only 3 leads stick out. in / out and ground. This way it wouldn't look so conspicuous and possibly intimidating to the next guy working on the set.
I built this 1st one on a very small ( single ic socket pc board) but if I decide not to 'pot' it I could also probably easily build it on a 5-6 terminal phenolic strip and mount it under the chassis neatly. I just hate leaving a mystery for the next guy and I'd want somehow to include the schematic... lol

Maybe I could hide the whole thing by slipping it into an old style fat cardboard capactitor tube or similar thing and stick a mini schematic on the side or inside.

I don't want to go too far... but just to make it nice.

1/12/2006 8:44:33 AMRadiodoc
:Hi Radiodoc:
:Yes certainly I could do that. Chokes often are under the chassis... ( although not the last one I replaced... no room at all... the substitute perhaps was over sized... I had to ty-wrap it to the dynamic speaker off the chassis)
:But even if I put it under the chassis, ...I still wanted to do something that will 'pot' the whole thing perhaps in a plastic lump like a 'potted-module" so only 3 leads stick out. in / out and ground. This way it wouldn't look so conspicuous and possibly intimidating to the next guy working on the set.
:I built this 1st one on a very small ( single ic socket pc board) but if I decide not to 'pot' it I could also probably easily build it on a 5-6 terminal phenolic strip and mount it under the chassis neatly. I just hate leaving a mystery for the next guy and I'd want somehow to include the schematic... lol
:
:Maybe I could hide the whole thing by slipping it into an old style fat cardboard capactitor tube or similar thing and stick a mini schematic on the side or inside.
:
:I don't want to go too far... but just to make it nice.
:
Peter,

You may want to (if you haven't already) check out http://www.antiquewireless.org/. Just click on sample our quarterly publication and then click on past articles. AES has had some articles on restoring old radios.

Radiodoc

1/12/2006 8:47:22 AMThomas Dermody
Yeah, you could do something like coat it with tar or J-B weld if you're good at molding a neat looking globule. You could also build one of those nifty tin boxes if you are good with tin. Then it'd look like a Philco condenser bank. That'd really throw people. I hope that you are leaving the old choke in place so that the radio looks original on top.

Thomas



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