I have a friend with a Zenith record changer that
has two arms.Anyone with info about this unit.The
radio has both the old and modern FM bands.

Thanks
Bob

Bob, get the model number.

Philco had radio/phonos that had two arms. One was to play records and the other was to cut new records from blanks.

If this is a Cobra, then it is a Zenith. I think there were Cobras with two tone arms, one for LP and one for 78 records, but I could be wrong. I forgot about all of this. Anyway, in the Zenith literature you will find info on this turntable. There was discussion of this turntable several months ago on this forum, and someone even pointed out the literature contained on this web site for the Zenith Cobra turntable of this nature. As I said, I forgot the details. Was it one for LP and one for 78, or was it one for the above and one for 45 rpm records? I also can't remember whether the discussion was about a dual tone arm Cobra or a dual turntable Cobra.

Cobras didn't usually have record cutting capabilities, though I know what Doug is talking about when he refers to the turntables that have one skinny tone arm for playing and one fat tone arm for recording. My Super Silvertone table model of 1940 has this turntable that was used on many different types of phonographs (some phonographs did not use this turntable, but used another that also had two tone arms, but this turntable is common).

Anyway, Cobra is Zenith, not Philco.

Thomas

:If this is a Cobra, then it is a Zenith. I think there were Cobras with two tone arms, one for LP and one for 78 records, but I could be wrong. I forgot about all of this. Anyway, in the Zenith literature you will find info on this turntable. There was discussion of this turntable several months ago on this forum, and someone even pointed out the literature contained on this web site for the Zenith Cobra turntable of this nature. As I said, I forgot the details. Was it one for LP and one for 78, or was it one for the above and one for 45 rpm records? I also can't remember whether the discussion was about a dual tone arm Cobra or a dual turntable Cobra.
:
:Cobras didn't usually have record cutting capabilities, though I know what Doug is talking about when he refers to the turntables that have one skinny tone arm for playing and one fat tone arm for recording. My Super Silvertone table model of 1940 has this turntable that was used on many different types of phonographs (some phonographs did not use this turntable, but used another that also had two tone arms, but this turntable is common).
:
:Anyway, Cobra is Zenith, not Philc

Got a picture of this changer but have not seen it
and do not have model number yet.It shows two tone arms
one red and one green.Switch covers the red speed
control but green switch is plainly marked 33 1/3
So the red must be 78.Both arms look about the same.
Can not tell if it could change different size
records.
Does this indicate 33's came before 45' ?

Thanks
BOB

::If this is a Cobra, then it is a Zenith. I think there were Cobras with two tone arms, one for LP and one for 78 records, but I could be wrong. I forgot about all of this. Anyway, in the Zenith literature you will find info on this turntable. There was discussion of this turntable several months ago on this forum, and someone even pointed out the literature contained on this web site for the Zenith Cobra turntable of this nature. As I said, I forgot the details. Was it one for LP and one for 78, or was it one for the above and one for 45 rpm records? I also can't remember whether the discussion was about a dual tone arm Cobra or a dual turntable Cobra.
::
::Cobras didn't usually have record cutting capabilities, though I know what Doug is talking about when he refers to the turntables that have one skinny tone arm for playing and one fat tone arm for recording. My Super Silvertone table model of 1940 has this turntable that was used on many different types of phonographs (some phonographs did not use this turntable, but used another that also had two tone arms, but this turntable is common).
::
::Anyway, Cobra is Zenith, not Philc
:
:Got a picture of this changer but have not seen it
:and do not have model number yet.It shows two tone arms
:one red and one green.Switch covers the red speed
:control but green switch is plainly marked 33 1/3
:So the red must be 78.Both arms look about the same.
:Can not tell if it could change different size
:records.
: Does this indicate 33's came before 45' ?
:
:
:Thanks
:BOB
:

I have one of these radios/phonographs with the two arms. It is Zenith chairside model. The only numbers I see on the inside are 9E21, It is a mahogany cabinet and the phonograph opens from the side with a pull down cabinet door The radio face on the top is brass and it is FM with various dials and pushbuttons. I would like to know more about it. I had intended to use it with different components inside. But I am having a change of heart. I have not plugged in yet

::If this is a Cobra, then it is a Zenith. I think there were Cobras with two tone arms, one for LP and one for 78 records, but I could be wrong. I forgot about all of this. Anyway, in the Zenith literature you will find info on this turntable. There was discussion of this turntable several months ago on this forum, and someone even pointed out the literature contained on this web site for the Zenith Cobra turntable of this nature. As I said, I forgot the details. Was it one for LP and one for 78, or was it one for the above and one for 45 rpm records? I also can't remember whether the discussion was about a dual tone arm Cobra or a dual turntable Cobra.
::
::Cobras didn't usually have record cutting capabilities, though I know what Doug is talking about when he refers to the turntables that have one skinny tone arm for playing and one fat tone arm for recording. My Super Silvertone table model of 1940 has this turntable that was used on many different types of phonographs (some phonographs did not use this turntable, but used another that also had two tone arms, but this turntable is common).
::
::Anyway, Cobra is Zenith, not Philc
:
:Got a picture of this changer but have not seen it
:and do not have model number yet.It shows two tone arms
:one red and one green.Switch covers the red speed
:control but green switch is plainly marked 33 1/3
:So the red must be 78.Both arms look about the same.
:Can not tell if it could change different size
:records.
: Does this indicate 33's came before 45' ?
:
:
:Thanks
:BOB
:

Well, sort of. but this changer probably doesn't pre-date the '45. At the introduction of the 45RPM format in late'48 the RCA was only licensing it for use with the sppecially designed large spindle changer. Three- speed changers didn't become common until '51. Quite a number of better combinations were equipped with 2 record changers in 1949.

:If this is a Cobra, then it is a Zenith. I think there were Cobras with two tone arms, one for LP and one for 78 records, but I could be wrong. I forgot about all of this. Anyway, in the Zenith literature you will find info on this turntable. There was discussion of this turntable several months ago on this forum, and someone even pointed out the literature contained on this web site for the Zenith Cobra turntable of this nature. As I said, I forgot the details. Was it one for LP and one for 78, or was it one for the above and one for 45 rpm records? I also can't remember whether the discussion was about a dual tone arm Cobra or a dual turntable Cobra.
:
:Cobras didn't usually have record cutting capabilities, though I know what Doug is talking about when he refers to the turntables that have one skinny tone arm for playing and one fat tone arm for recording. My Super Silvertone table model of 1940 has this turntable that was used on many different types of phonographs (some phonographs did not use this turntable, but used another that also had two tone arms, but this turntable is common).
:
:Anyway, Cobra is Zenith, not Philco.
:
:Thomas

Zenith made several models in 1948, a table model and a couple of consoles with dual cobra tonearms. They were actaully continuation of existing models with LP added after the model number. The Columbia LP was introduced around March 1948. RCA had a 33 1/3 record in 1931 that flopped and RCA predicted the 1948 LP's would flop also. As you know they were successful. RCA introduced the 45 rpm in April of 1949. Several manufacturers of turntables simply tacked on a separate tone arm to play LP's maually such as Philco and Admiral and GE. Webster-Chicago updated their 46 and 56 series changers into the 246 and 356 with a single arm. Magnavox which used Webster-Chicago 78 changers in 1946 and 47 even took trade-ins to put the 2 speed changers in customers sets. Columbia even contracted Philco to make those bakelite long play attachments you see all the time on ebay.
Thomas, the cobra with two turntables is a strange set called the Twin-Seven. I have a working one. To conteract the 45 disk, Columbia started an ad compaign and issued for a year 7 inch 33 1/3 rpm singles with the slogan "One Speed Is All You Need". Zenith, Admiral, and Webster-Chicago put out compact phonos that could only play 7 inch 45 or 33 records. By late 1950, Columbia issued 45 rpm disks and RCA gave in and made 10 and 12 inch LP's, the famous "War Of The Speeds" was over.

Fred R

: I have a friend with a Zenith record changer that
:has two arms.Anyone with info about this unit.The
:radio has both the old and modern FM bands.
:
:Thanks
:Bob

I Own one of these if someone wants to buy it. cord needs to be replaced but works..