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FM never works ??
3/24/2014 6:13:14 AMChris
Hello all... I am curious why the FM never works everytime I get a 1960's AM/FM /phono/radio or credenza..I know I have to overhaul and restore the units and I use a dim bulb lightbulb fuse for protection........but what is usually the problem with the FM? I know it is a more complex circuit but.... Is it usually a tube or bad coil...or a capacitor/ resistor problem? Seems all of them are like that....
3/24/2014 7:18:05 AMLewis
:Hello all... I am curious why the FM never works everytime I get a 1960's AM/FM /phono/radio or credenza..I know I have to overhaul and restore the units and I use a dim bulb lightbulb fuse for protection........but what is usually the problem with the FM? I know it is a more complex circuit but.... Is it usually a tube or bad coil...or a capacitor/ resistor problem? Seems all of them are like that....


Chris:
Usually the only thin seperate from the AM is the local oscillator, they use a double tuned IF strip which passes 455 kHz and 10.7 mHz, so if the AM is working, the IF, audio, and power supply are OK. In my years of working on airplanes, I have learned not to say "this will always happen, or this will never happen, or this can't happen" or stuff like that, but I can say with confidance that if the local oscillator is not working the radio is not working, either, period, paragraph, end of chapter.
Lewis
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3/24/2014 9:12:25 AMCV
Could just be the "luck of the draw" vis a vis the sets that you have encountered. In my case, I've not noticed that there is a tendency for one mode to be more likely to work than another.

If you prefer to collect/repair a specific brand, as many people do, you may have uncovered a design weakness specific to that make of radio. For example, many Zenith models from the mid-to-late 1930s seem to have undersized power transformers which tend to run hot. However, this problem is specific to Zenith- most radio makers didn't share this problem with them.

I think that some of the AM-FM combos made right after WWII were somewhat poorly executed design-wise when it came to the FM circuits- so if you concentrate on repairing sets of that era, you may be seeing a disproportionate number of failures.

It would be interesting if you could jot down the repairs that the FM sections of your sets have needed, just to see if there is any "common denominator" to the failures.

3/25/2014 6:57:16 PMBill G.
Hi Chris,
I have restored a large number of FM radios. The most common problem that kills the FM but allows the AM to work is silver mica disease. This is a problem that attacks the silver mica capacitors in the base of IF cans.
There are two caveats to my answer, though. I restore AM/FM radios from the 1950's, not 1960's like yours. Also silver mica affects AM IF cans as well as FM, so I get some in that the FM is fine but the AM is bad.

Best regards,

Bill

3/26/2014 9:50:25 PMChris
:Hi Chris,
: I have restored a large number of FM radios. The most common problem that kills the FM but allows the AM to work is silver mica disease. This is a problem that attacks the silver mica capacitors in the base of IF cans.
: There are two caveats to my answer, though. I restore AM/FM radios from the 1950's, not 1960's like yours. Also silver mica affects AM IF cans as well as FM, so I get some in that the FM is fine but the AM is bad.
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:Best regards,
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:Bill
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Thankyou gentlemen for replies...The AM is crystal clear...no noise .. I hope I don't have to open those coil cans up....they are the small ones with the miniature tubes ..I have seen it done on youtube and the capacitors replaced MAYBE it is an open component or maybe a tube like the 6AL5 or 6DT8 etc....hmmmm


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