:Hi Edd,
:Thanks again for your time.
:The Vacume Tubes are as follow:
:In front of the Transformer, between the paper roll and the left side. Small VT; 2D21/PL21. the one with the alum. cover could be a EL 33, or EO83,(marking is half earased.
:The large VT to the immediate right of the Trans. is a ELL 80. the next VT to the right of ELL80, is ??C85,(marking almose earased). and the last VT is ECC85.
:There is one VT/Oscillator which is completely enclosed in alum. case with a number 23760 HZ on top of it.
:I do hope my information is usefull to you.
:
:Best Regards,
:Shahbaz.
:
:
:
:::Hi Edd,
:::Thank you for taking your valuable time, answering my RFI.
:::I am self-learning to repair simple mechanical watches, therfore, have been buying old watchmaker's tool on the ebay, one of which was the Tickoprint Timing Machine.
::
::
::
::
::Sooooo . . .you are going to be a latter day horologist and work with the old mechanical watches.
::
::
::I am still needing your feed back of information on the units tube numbers, and their positions around the central printer mechanism.
::
::
::As I can not make that info out on my piece meal schematic of the unit.
::
::
::And have you checked out the printer drive motor as I mentioned ?
::
::
::
::
::73’s de Edd
::
::
::
::
::
::
:::I have no prior experience with timing machine of any kind. I do have basic knowledge of electronics, and I believe having a schematick of the circutary, I could make the machine going.
:::I do not own an oscilloscope, but i could borrow one.
:::Thanks again for your time.
:::
:::Best regards,
:::Shahbaz
:::
:::
::::

:::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::Sir Shahbaz. . . . . :::: :::: ::::You’ve got answers, I’ve got more questions. :::: :::: ::::I initially did not get an answer as to HOW familiar you are with the operation of one of these units ? :::: :::: ::::Or if you are a watch master, yourself, and wanting to fix his own unit ? :::: :::: ::::Or one of them has recruited you to try to fix one of his units. :::: :::: ::::And, is this a unit that was working and used until recently . . . . .or the other extreme was being one that was acquired non-working and has been stored for 20-30 years ? :::: :::: ::::I only have a rough, poor resolution schematic and need to improve on some of its parts ID’s. :::: :::: :::: ::::I am putting a photo here of the opened unit: :::: :::: ::::Too small ? . . . .(Mouse click on . . . .to mag up in size) :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::Now in looking at the centrally placed printer paper area, there are two tubes to the left with the front one having a shield and I am suspicioning it to be a 12AU7, as well as the one in front of it. :::: :::: ::::Those 2 are assuredly your audio amplifiers of the mikes pickup. :::: :::: ::::The larger tube closer to the power transformers corner is probably a power tetrode which is being the printers hammer driver. :::: :::: ::::Just to its right is the starting tube of the oscillator section of the unit, with another tube in front of it and yet a final third tube , probably a heavy power tetrode, that is providing the final power drive for the synchronous motor. :::: :::: ::::The synch motor just shows under the manual feed knob for the chart paper. One would say . . . that’s just like a phono motor ! :::: :::: :::: ::::Look up above that area and you will see the paper feed motor, which is a pancake constructed design but MUCH more flattened out and more elongated than one usually sees, being used on electric clocks. :::: :::: ::::Also denote its visible external gear train. :::: :::: ::::You said that it was not running, but you DID have the Stop –Test lever / switch in the TEST position . . . ::::Right? :::: :::: ::::Try again and see if you can see any gear train action or feel /hear the feed motor humming. :::: :::: ::::Right now, I mainly need the tube numbers fed back to me. And relate referencing to the positions as placed around the printer area. :::: :::: ::::Then, I can make an explanatory mark up of the unit. :::: :::: ::::Can I assume that you have a scope for doing analysis of the oscillator circuitry, or AC DVM measurements may have to do otherwise. :::: :::: ::::Standing by . . . . :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::73's de Edd :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::Early to rise and early to bed makes a man healthy and wealthy and dead. :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::

::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::::Hi Edd,
::::::Thank you for responding to my RFI.
::::::The Synchronous motor is not turning.l
::::::The Chart paper is not advancing .
::::::The Mic is OK.
::::::For your information; all V tubes warm up, and the power indicator light bulb goes on.
:::::::
:::::::Best Regards,
::::::Shahbaz.
::::::
::::::
:::::::Sir . . . . . Shahbaz
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Can you give me your degree of familiarity with that type of product or our older Amerikanski stalwart, the Watchmaster.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::I am curious if the synchronous motor is running?
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::If so, can you adjust it to its different running speed standards ?
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Is the chart paper advancing ?
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Is the "tick " stylus marking ?
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Is the amp chain of the amplified "tick" operating ?
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Is the mike good ? ( or no broken cord from 123,475 flexures or bad connector )
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::The last two aspects can be tested by plugging in and the use of the earphone for monitoring of the "ticks"
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::One might be able to work on the evaluatoin of the unit without a schema, with adequate close observations and tests.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::::::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::73's de Edd
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::Map Quest really needs to start their directions with # 5 . . . . . .
:::::::as I'm pretty darn sure that I know how to initially get OUT of my neighborhood.
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::::Hi,
::::::::I have a Tickoprint Model T45S made in West Germany, and Distributed in USA by, L&R Manufacturing Co.
::::::::
::::::::It could have been manufactured by Bandelin Electronic KG, I am not sure.
::::::::
::::::::I need the service manual and the schematick in order to repair the unit. any help will be appreciated.
::::::::
::::::::With Regards,
::::::::
::::::::Shahbaz.
::::::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::
::::::
:::::
:::::
::::
::::
:::
:::
::
::
:
:

:Hi Edd,
:The Last VT # is unclear, but the shadow marking could read EEC 83, or EEG 83, or EEC 33, or EEG 33.
:I do hope that this info. is OK.
:
:Thanks again for your help.
:
:Best Regards,
:
:Shahbaz
:
::
::

:: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::Sir Shahbaz . . . . . :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::O.K. I have all of the units tubes now being identified excepting one, which you did not seem to mention . :: :: ::That is one that I would expect to be physically located in front both of of the already identified 2D21 tube and the one just below it which is an ECC82 dual section triode amp that has a metal tube shield covering it. :: :: ::Now this should ALSO be another ECC82 that has it's circuitry initially receiving the pick up mike signal and then amplifiying it and feeding into the earlier mentioned ECC82 below the 2D21. :: :: ::Loook VERY closely for it, as mechanical works may be somewhat hiding it. :: :: ::It's illogical for it to be physically placed outside of those boundaries. :: :: :: ::There is still one other thing which I can't make out well in the supplied photo of the unit. :: :: ::(Peanut Gallery . . . . Consult the blow up photo of my earlier Edd post.) :: :: ::It is back at the center rear of the unit and between the ELL80 synchron motor driver tube and the side of the power transformer. :: :: ::One can see the piano hinge which retains the swing up top of the case, but there is also about a 1/4 in wide metal strip that is having two spot welds "sputters" showing, where it then affixes to the top cover. :: :: ::Down at the bottom of that 1/4 strip, it then seems to be channel formed to retain an insetted round roller. :: :: ::This could posssibly just be acting as a mechanical detent mechanism to cause a positive action of the case to thereby positively holding the lid up, when being fully opened or down when being fully closed. :: A precise mechanical snap action, so to speak. :: :: :: ::NOW . .what would be a great finding . . . . would be for that strip . . . in actuality, being an arm which engages against a micro switch to shut the AC power down on the unit. :: :: ::That is so that when "Mr Bumblefingers" swings up the case top to change out either the chart paper or the ribbon, thus precluding any errant fist, knuckles or fingers getting across any shock hazard items wiring. :: :: :: ::I'm thinking that I can " vaguely" see an orangish / brownish rectangular micro switch case being side mounted to a metal right angle strip that runs vertically against that corner side of the power transformer. :: :: ::If so, that could explain WHY ? there is no electro / mechanical activity IF the top lid is being up. :: :: ::One would have to hold and defeat that levers interlock switches action to have the unit operable for testing if the case lid is up. :: :: :: ::Let me know . . . . . :: :: :: :: ::Additional info: :: :: ::Yes, that IS the quite large cylindrical housing that is used for the encasing of the equally massive 23,760 cycle quartz crystal which is the stable frequency time base for the electronics timing of this unit. :: :: ::The two other lined up tubes in that frequency generator section in :: the units right side area of the unit are being ECC85 / 6AQ8's . :: :: :: ::In the researching of that blurred freuency numbering ( 23760 ) on MY initial piecemeal schematic, I consulted the later solid state big broher's schematic, which ALSO utilized that same crystal unit. :: :: ::That searching ALSO showed me a pic of the narrow printer ribbon which is housed within that LARGE pancake housing which I initially thought was the feed motor for the chart paper. :: :: ::In 1st generation days, I think that a fabric ribbon was used , but this vintage is probably using a "one shot" carbon film ribbon that was introduced by the IBM Selectric typewriter, but with this ribbon being a very narrow width sizing and paying out the used portion at the side of the machine. :: :: ::I think that at the VERY end of this units design cycle that they even used thermal paper. :: :: :: ::I now can visualize either a geardown / or flapper lever use of the units main synchronous motor to step the chart paper a micro movement after each "ticks" print out of its dot on the chart paper. :: :: ::ALSO it could be done by the additional "robbing" of the snap solenoid action in the printing of each tick. :: :: ::Wherein, it levers the paper forward just a micro bit as the solenoid is activated at each "tick" . Much in the manner of a person using a pencils eraser end to flick forward the pages of a book. :: :: :: ::Give me the final info on that missing/ hidden tube up near the mike input . :: :: ::THEN we can get down to some troubleshooting of the unit with my final marked up schematic. :: :: :: :: :: :: ::73's de Edd :: :: :: :: :: :: :: At times I'll look down at my watch 3 consecutive times and STILL not know what time it is. :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::

::
::
::
::
::
::
:::Hi Edd,
:::Thanks again for your time.
:::The Vacume Tubes are as follow:
:::In front of the Transformer, between the paper roll and the left side. Small VT; 2D21/PL21. the one with the alum. cover could be a EL 33, or EO83,(marking is half earased.
:::The large VT to the immediate right of the Trans. is a ELL 80. the next VT to the right of ELL80, is ??C85,(marking almose earased). and the last VT is ECC85.
:::There is one VT/Oscillator which is completely enclosed in alum. case with a number 23760 HZ on top of it.
:::I do hope my information is usefull to you.
:::
:::Best Regards,
:::Shahbaz.
:::
:::
:::
:::::Hi Edd,
:::::Thank you for taking your valuable time, answering my RFI.
:::::I am self-learning to repair simple mechanical watches, therfore, have been buying old watchmaker's tool on the ebay, one of which was the Tickoprint Timing Machine.
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::Sooooo . . .you are going to be a latter day horologist and work with the old mechanical watches.
::::
::::
::::I am still needing your feed back of information on the units tube numbers, and their positions around the central printer mechanism.
::::
::::
::::As I can not make that info out on my piece meal schematic of the unit.
::::
::::
::::And have you checked out the printer drive motor as I mentioned ?
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::73’s de Edd
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
:::::I have no prior experience with timing machine of any kind. I do have basic knowledge of electronics, and I believe having a schematick of the circutary, I could make the machine going.
:::::I do not own an oscilloscope, but i could borrow one.
:::::Thanks again for your time.
:::::
:::::Best regards,
:::::Shahbaz
:::::
:::::
::::::

:::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::Sir Shahbaz. . . . . :::::: :::::: ::::::You’ve got answers, I’ve got more questions. :::::: :::::: ::::::I initially did not get an answer as to HOW familiar you are with the operation of one of these units ? :::::: :::::: ::::::Or if you are a watch master, yourself, and wanting to fix his own unit ? :::::: :::::: ::::::Or one of them has recruited you to try to fix one of his units. :::::: :::::: ::::::And, is this a unit that was working and used until recently . . . . .or the other extreme was being one that was acquired non-working and has been stored for 20-30 years ? :::::: :::::: ::::::I only have a rough, poor resolution schematic and need to improve on some of its parts ID’s. :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::I am putting a photo here of the opened unit: :::::: :::::: ::::::Too small ? . . . .(Mouse click on . . . .to mag up in size) :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::Now in looking at the centrally placed printer paper area, there are two tubes to the left with the front one having a shield and I am suspicioning it to be a 12AU7, as well as the one in front of it. :::::: :::::: ::::::Those 2 are assuredly your audio amplifiers of the mikes pickup. :::::: :::::: ::::::The larger tube closer to the power transformers corner is probably a power tetrode which is being the printers hammer driver. :::::: :::::: ::::::Just to its right is the starting tube of the oscillator section of the unit, with another tube in front of it and yet a final third tube , probably a heavy power tetrode, that is providing the final power drive for the synchronous motor. :::::: :::::: ::::::The synch motor just shows under the manual feed knob for the chart paper. One would say . . . that’s just like a phono motor ! :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::Look up above that area and you will see the paper feed motor, which is a pancake constructed design but MUCH more flattened out and more elongated than one usually sees, being used on electric clocks. :::::: :::::: ::::::Also denote its visible external gear train. :::::: :::::: ::::::You said that it was not running, but you DID have the Stop –Test lever / switch in the TEST position . . . ::::::Right? :::::: :::::: ::::::Try again and see if you can see any gear train action or feel /hear the feed motor humming. :::::: :::::: ::::::Right now, I mainly need the tube numbers fed back to me. And relate referencing to the positions as placed around the printer area. :::::: :::::: ::::::Then, I can make an explanatory mark up of the unit. :::::: :::::: ::::::Can I assume that you have a scope for doing analysis of the oscillator circuitry, or AC DVM measurements may have to do otherwise. :::::: :::::: ::::::Standing by . . . . :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::73's de Edd :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::Early to rise and early to bed makes a man healthy and wealthy and dead. :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: :::::: ::::::

::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::::Hi Edd,
::::::::Thank you for responding to my RFI.
::::::::The Synchronous motor is not turning.l
::::::::The Chart paper is not advancing .
::::::::The Mic is OK.
::::::::For your information; all V tubes warm up, and the power indicator light bulb goes on.
:::::::::
:::::::::Best Regards,
::::::::Shahbaz.
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::::Sir . . . . . Shahbaz
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Can you give me your degree of familiarity with that type of product or our older Amerikanski stalwart, the Watchmaster.
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::I am curious if the synchronous motor is running?
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::If so, can you adjust it to its different running speed standards ?
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Is the chart paper advancing ?
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Is the "tick " stylus marking ?
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Is the amp chain of the amplified "tick" operating ?
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Is the mike good ? ( or no broken cord from 123,475 flexures or bad connector )
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::The last two aspects can be tested by plugging in and the use of the earphone for monitoring of the "ticks"
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::One might be able to work on the evaluatoin of the unit without a schema, with adequate close observations and tests.
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
::::::::::::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::73's de Edd
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::Map Quest really needs to start their directions with # 5 . . . . . .
:::::::::as I'm pretty darn sure that I know how to initially get OUT of my neighborhood.
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
::::::::::Hi,
::::::::::I have a Tickoprint Model T45S made in West Germany, and Distributed in USA by, L&R Manufacturing Co.
::::::::::
::::::::::It could have been manufactured by Bandelin Electronic KG, I am not sure.
::::::::::
::::::::::I need the service manual and the schematick in order to repair the unit. any help will be appreciated.
::::::::::
::::::::::With Regards,
::::::::::
::::::::::Shahbaz.
::::::::::
:::::::::
:::::::::
::::::::
::::::::
:::::::
:::::::
::::::
::::::
:::::
:::::
::::
::::
:::
:::
::
::
:
:

::
::

:: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::Sir Shahbaz. . . . . :: :: :: ::No further problem with the identification of the I.D. numbers of the VT's being used in the unit. :: :: ::On the front right side of the unit there is the metal cylinder encased 23,760 cycle quartz crystal :: and just next to it is one ECC85 / 6AQ8 and then further to the rear of the unit is another ECC85 / 6AQ8. :: :: ::These are associated with the accurate frequency timebase for the synchronous motor. :: :: ::At the very rear of the unit, near the power transformer, is the dual tetrode ELL80 synchronous motor driver/power amp. :: :: ::Then, on the other side of the chassis, working towards the front, there is the smaller 7 pin 2D21 gas thyratron. :: :: ::In the front of it, is ONE of the TWO ECC82's that my schematic shows. This one happens to have a tube shield. :: :: ::None of my available photos are showing me the units ::OTHER :: ECC82, therefore, can you examine your unit and confirm if it is " hidden " up in front of the visible and shielded ECC82 ? ? ? ? ? ? :: :: :: Logically, that is where it should be, and also shielded, since it is more noise prone than the second stage. :: :: ::ALSO is there a microswitch beside the power transformer and between the ELL80 tube ? ? ? ? ? ? ? :: :: ::(That the lever I described before, engages into ? ) :: :: ::Awaiting your inspections answers. :: :: :: :: :: ::73's de Edd :: :: :: :: :: :: If you try to fail, and succeed, which have you done ? :: :: :: :: :: :: :: :: ::

::
::
::
:::Hi Edd,
:::The Last VT # is unclear, but the shadow marking could read EEC 83, or EEG 83, or EEC 33, or EEG 33.
:::I do hope that this info. is OK.
:::
:::Thanks again for your help.
:::
:::Best Regards,
:::
:::Shahbaz
:::
::::
::::

:::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::Sir Shahbaz . . . . . :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::O.K. I have all of the units tubes now being identified excepting one, which you did not seem to mention . :::: :::: ::::That is one that I would expect to be physically located in front both of of the already identified 2D21 tube and the one just below it which is an ECC82 dual section triode amp that has a metal tube shield covering it. :::: :::: ::::Now this should ALSO be another ECC82 that has it's circuitry initially receiving the pick up mike signal and then amplifiying it and feeding into the earlier mentioned ECC82 below the 2D21. :::: :::: ::::Loook VERY closely for it, as mechanical works may be somewhat hiding it. :::: :::: ::::It's illogical for it to be physically placed outside of those boundaries. :::: :::: :::: ::::There is still one other thing which I can't make out well in the supplied photo of the unit. :::: :::: ::::(Peanut Gallery . . . . Consult the blow up photo of my earlier Edd post.) :::: :::: ::::It is back at the center rear of the unit and between the ELL80 synchron motor driver tube and the side of the power transformer. :::: :::: ::::One can see the piano hinge which retains the swing up top of the case, but there is also about a 1/4 in wide metal strip that is having two spot welds "sputters" showing, where it then affixes to the top cover. :::: :::: ::::Down at the bottom of that 1/4 strip, it then seems to be channel formed to retain an insetted round roller. :::: :::: ::::This could posssibly just be acting as a mechanical detent mechanism to cause a positive action of the case to thereby positively holding the lid up, when being fully opened or down when being fully closed. :::: A precise mechanical snap action, so to speak. :::: :::: :::: ::::NOW . .what would be a great finding . . . . would be for that strip . . . in actuality, being an arm which engages against a micro switch to shut the AC power down on the unit. :::: :::: ::::That is so that when "Mr Bumblefingers" swings up the case top to change out either the chart paper or the ribbon, thus precluding any errant fist, knuckles or fingers getting across any shock hazard items wiring. :::: :::: :::: ::::I'm thinking that I can " vaguely" see an orangish / brownish rectangular micro switch case being side mounted to a metal right angle strip that runs vertically against that corner side of the power transformer. :::: :::: ::::If so, that could explain WHY ? there is no electro / mechanical activity IF the top lid is being up. :::: :::: ::::One would have to hold and defeat that levers interlock switches action to have the unit operable for testing if the case lid is up. :::: :::: :::: ::::Let me know . . . . . :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::Additional info: :::: :::: ::::Yes, that IS the quite large cylindrical housing that is used for the encasing of the equally massive 23,760 cycle quartz crystal which is the stable frequency time base for the electronics timing of this unit. :::: :::: ::::The two other lined up tubes in that frequency generator section in :::: the units right side area of the unit are being ECC85 / 6AQ8's . :::: :::: :::: ::::In the researching of that blurred freuency numbering ( 23760 ) on MY initial piecemeal schematic, I consulted the later solid state big broher's schematic, which ALSO utilized that same crystal unit. :::: :::: ::::That searching ALSO showed me a pic of the narrow printer ribbon which is housed within that LARGE pancake housing which I initially thought was the feed motor for the chart paper. :::: :::: ::::In 1st generation days, I think that a fabric ribbon was used , but this vintage is probably using a "one shot" carbon film ribbon that was introduced by the IBM Selectric typewriter, but with this ribbon being a very narrow width sizing and paying out the used portion at the side of the machine. :::: :::: ::::I think that at the VERY end of this units design cycle that they even used thermal paper. :::: :::: :::: ::::I now can visualize either a geardown / or flapper lever use of the units main synchronous motor to step the chart paper a micro movement after each "ticks" print out of its dot on the chart paper. :::: :::: ::::ALSO it could be done by the additional "robbing" of the snap solenoid action in the printing of each tick. :::: :::: ::::Wherein, it levers the paper forward just a micro bit as the solenoid is activated at each "tick" . Much in the manner of a person using a pencils eraser end to flick forward the pages of a book. :::: :::: :::: ::::Give me the final info on that missing/ hidden tube up near the mike input . :::: :::: ::::THEN we can get down to some troubleshooting of the unit with my final marked up schematic. :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::73's de Edd :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: At times I'll look down at my watch 3 consecutive times and STILL not know what time it is. :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: :::: ::::

::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
::::
:::::Hi Edd,
:::::Thanks again for your time.
:::::The Vacume Tubes are as follow:
:::::In front of the Transformer, between the paper roll and the left side. Small VT; 2D21/PL21. the one with the alum. cover could be a EL 33, or EO83,(marking is half earased.
:::::The large VT to the immediate right of the Trans. is a ELL 80. the next VT to the right of ELL80, is ??C85,(marking almose earased). and the last VT is ECC85.
:::::There is one VT/Oscillator which is completely enclosed in alum. case with a number 23760 HZ on top of it.
:::::I do hope my information is usefull to you.
:::::
:::::Best Regards,
:::::Shahbaz.
:::::
:::::
:::::
:::::::Hi Edd,
:::::::Thank you for taking your valuable time, answering my RFI.
:::::::I am self-learning to repair simple mechanical watches, therfore, have been buying old watchmaker's tool on the ebay, one of which was the Tickoprint Timing Machine.
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::Sooooo . . .you are going to be a latter day horologist and work with the old mechanical watches.
::::::
::::::
::::::I am still needing your feed back of information on the units tube numbers, and their positions around the central printer mechanism.
::::::
::::::
::::::As I can not make that info out on my piece meal schematic of the unit.
::::::
::::::
::::::And have you checked out the printer drive motor as I mentioned ?
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::73’s de Edd
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
::::::
:::::::I have no prior experience with timing machine of any kind. I do have basic knowledge of electronics, and I believe having a schematick of the circutary, I could make the machine going.
:::::::I do not own an oscilloscope, but i could borrow one.
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::::::::::Thank you for responding to my RFI.
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::::::::::For your information; all V tubes warm up, and the power indicator light bulb goes on.
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:::::::::::Can you give me your degree of familiarity with that type of product or our older Amerikanski stalwart, the Watchmaster.
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::::::::::::I have a Tickoprint Model T45S made in West Germany, and Distributed in USA by, L&R Manufacturing Co.
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::::::::::::I need the service manual and the schematick in order to repair the unit. any help will be appreciated.
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