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RCA T8-16 Radio 1935 model
8/5/2012 3:19:40 PMGerardo
I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
Thanks in advance!
8/5/2012 4:14:22 PMNorm Leal
Hi Gerardo

Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.


http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf

Norm


:I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
:Thanks in advance!
:

8/6/2012 5:25:28 AMGerardoo
:Hi Gerardo
:
: Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.
:
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:http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf
:
:Norm
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::I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
::Thanks in advance!
::
:
:
Ok ... ! I do not want anything between these pins except capacitors as you say, but the component that I mentioned is there ... I can send you a picture? ... you telling me some email so I can forward it to you to observe it please?
Excuse my English. I live in the Canary Islands, Spain and I am very grateful to you for your reply.
8/6/2012 2:53:01 PMNorm Leal
Hi Gerardo

Believe what you found is a dual capacitor used for tone control?

You can get my email address by clicking on my name, above.

Your English is very good. Much better than my Spanish...

Norm

::Hi Gerardo
::
:: Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.
::
::
::http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf
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::Norm
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:::I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
:::Thanks in advance!
:::
::
::
:Ok ... ! I do not want anything between these pins except capacitors as you say, but the component that I mentioned is there ... I can send you a picture? ... you telling me some email so I can forward it to you to observe it please?
:Excuse my English. I live in the Canary Islands, Spain and I am very grateful to you for your reply.
:

8/7/2012 6:14:37 PMEdd









Sir Gerardo . . . . . Que Pa a a a a a a a a a ah- sa ?


I am just proceeding . . . . as I already see that you handle the Englee velly well !


Sooooooooo . . . . . now, you may be right at home with our modern day “thermal switches” technology . . . . . . but BEHOLD

. . . that olde RCA has NOW introduced you to GENERATION 1 mica capacitors !


Walk down the hallway at 124 Austin Street at the Sangamo plant and on into the work bay.


Take particular note of Maria down at station #3 where she is pre assembling a mica capacitor, with its terminals and

end tabs inserted within the metal housing and then the slipping in of the mica sheets.


She then pre crimps the housing and passes the unit on down to Ismelda at station #4, where she clips the unit into a test jig

to initially test the units capacitance, it is reading 163 mmfd so she tightens down on the clamp that compresses the outer housing shell.


First it’s reading 165 . . . 168 . . . and then on up to ~ 180 mmf and a backing off of the clamp to its free position.


As the metal case relaxes, the capacitance then drops right on back down to 175 MMF.


Maria has this capacitor final test procedure right on down to a fine art.

Supplied are the RCA sets chassis photo, the pictorial layout of the set and finally a cut out of that portion of the schematic circuitry

being involved.


Just below you have the mark up of the “open” C35 cap (I wonder why?) as well as a nearby C38 companion of the same type,
which I spotted.


Just for circuit referencing, a soon to be mentioned different circuit companion of C37 is also marked up.


In looking about the chassis you might also want to replace these old capacitors with modern day silver mica units in the

C7 - - - C11 - - - C15 - - - C21 - - - C33 - - - C-46 and C48 positions.


Circuit wise . . . your C38 cap is passing off some of the very highest AF frequencies from the plate of the AF amp to its cathode.


Then there is a series pair of capacitors consisting of C37 and C35 that couples audio from the 6F5 to the 6F6.


(On the two lower bands the S11 section of the band switch shorts across the C35 capacitor and lets the C37 perform the interstage coupling,

when switched to the highest SW band the two caps are in series and effectively act as a .001 ufd cap.


On the prior bands where most of the AM and voice communications are, the .01 was favoring the bass response more.


On the higher SW band where code was more prevalent, the lessening of the bass response and enhancing of the treble sharpens the acuity

of hearing weaker AM stations . . . . as well as code.


Thassitt . . . .





Techno Referencing:










73's de Edd




Cannibal Axiom #1:


Eat the rich. The poor are tough and stringy.



Pee Ess . . . . . afterthought . . .


Our beloved pet canary . . . Tweetie Pie . . . has been missing . . . going on about 5 months . . . . . any chance that ?









:Hi Gerardo
:
: Believe what you found is a dual capacitor used for tone control?
:
: You can get my email address by clicking on my name, above.
:
: Your English is very good. Much better than my Spanish...
:
:Norm
:
:::Hi Gerardo
:::
::: Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.
:::
:::
:::http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf
:::
:::Norm
:::
:::
::::I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
::::Thanks in advance!
::::
:::
:::
::Ok ... ! I do not want anything between these pins except capacitors as you say, but the component that I mentioned is there ... I can send you a picture? ... you telling me some email so I can forward it to you to observe it please?
::Excuse my English. I live in the Canary Islands, Spain and I am very grateful to you for your reply.
::
:
:

8/7/2012 6:31:32 PMLewis L.
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:Sir Gerardo . . . . . Que Pa a a a a a a a a a ah- sa ?
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:I am just proceeding . . . . as I already see that you handle the Englee velly well !
:
:
:Sooooooooo . . . . . now, you may be right at home with our modern day “thermal switches” technology . . . . . . but BEHOLD
:
: . . . that olde RCA has NOW introduced you to GENERATION 1 mica capacitors !
:
:
:Walk down the hallway at 124 Austin Street at the Sangamo plant and on into the work bay.
:
:
:Take particular note of Maria down at station #3 where she is pre assembling a mica capacitor, with its terminals and
:
:end tabs inserted within the metal housing and then the slipping in of the mica sheets.
:
:
:She then pre crimps the housing and passes the unit on down to Ismelda at station #4, where she clips the unit into a test jig
:
:to initially test the units capacitance, it is reading 163 mmfd so she tightens down on the clamp that compresses the outer housing shell.
:
:
:First it’s reading 165 . . . 168 . . . and then on up to ~ 180 mmf and a backing off of the clamp to its free position.
:
:
:As the metal case relaxes, the capacitance then drops right on back down to 175 MMF.
:
:
:Maria has this capacitor final test procedure right on down to a fine art.
:
:
:
:Supplied are the RCA sets chassis photo, the pictorial layout of the set and finally a cut out of that portion of the schematic circuitry
:
:being involved.
:
:
:Just below you have the mark up of the “open” C35 cap (I wonder why?) as well as a nearby C38 companion of the same type,
:which I spotted.
:
:
:Just for circuit referencing, a soon to be mentioned different circuit companion of C37 is also marked up.
:
:
:In looking about the chassis you might also want to replace these old capacitors with modern day silver mica units in the
:
:C7 - - - C11 - - - C15 - - - C21 - - - C33 - - - C-46 and C48 positions.
:
:
:Circuit wise . . . your C38 cap is passing off some of the very highest AF frequencies from the plate of the AF amp to its cathode.
:
:
:Then there is a series pair of capacitors consisting of C37 and C35 that couples audio from the 6F5 to the 6F6.
:
:
:(On the two lower bands the S11 section of the band switch shorts across the C35 capacitor and lets the C37 perform the interstage coupling,
:
: when switched to the highest SW band the two caps are in series and effectively act as a .001 ufd cap.
:
:
:On the prior bands where most of the AM and voice communications are, the .01 was favoring the bass response more.
:
:
:On the higher SW band where code was more prevalent, the lessening of the bass response and enhancing of the treble sharpens the acuity
:
:of hearing weaker AM stations . . . . as well as code.
:
:
:Thassitt . . . .
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:
:
:
:Techno Referencing:
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:
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:73's de Edd

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:Cannibal Axiom #1:
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:Eat the rich. The poor are tough and stringy.
:
:
:
:Pee Ess . . . . . afterthought . . .
:
:
:Our beloved pet canary . . . Tweetie Pie . . . has been missing . . . going on about 5 months . . . . . any chance that ?
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::Hi Gerardo
::
:: Believe what you found is a dual capacitor used for tone control?
::
:: You can get my email address by clicking on my name, above.
::
:: Your English is very good. Much better than my Spanish...
::
::Norm
::
::::Hi Gerardo
::::
:::: Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.
::::
::::
::::http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf
::::
::::Norm
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:::::I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
:::::Thanks in advance!
:::::
::::
::::
:::Ok ... ! I do not want anything between these pins except capacitors as you say, but the component that I mentioned is there ... I can send you a picture? ... you telling me some email so I can forward it to you to observe it please?
:::Excuse my English. I live in the Canary Islands, Spain and I am very grateful to you for your reply.

Gerardo:
Pay no attention to Edd unless it is about radios. He is probably an escapee from an asylum, but he surely knows radios. We are not all like Edd. We are more sane and less smart.
Lewis
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8/9/2012 3:23:21 AMGerardo
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:Sir Gerardo . . . . . Que Pa a a a a a a a a a ah- sa ?
:
:
:I am just proceeding . . . . as I already see that you handle the Englee velly well !
:
:
:Sooooooooo . . . . . now, you may be right at home with our modern day “thermal switches” technology . . . . . . but BEHOLD
:
: . . . that olde RCA has NOW introduced you to GENERATION 1 mica capacitors !
:
:
:Walk down the hallway at 124 Austin Street at the Sangamo plant and on into the work bay.
:
:
:Take particular note of Maria down at station #3 where she is pre assembling a mica capacitor, with its terminals and
:
:end tabs inserted within the metal housing and then the slipping in of the mica sheets.
:
:
:She then pre crimps the housing and passes the unit on down to Ismelda at station #4, where she clips the unit into a test jig
:
:to initially test the units capacitance, it is reading 163 mmfd so she tightens down on the clamp that compresses the outer housing shell.
:
:
:First it’s reading 165 . . . 168 . . . and then on up to ~ 180 mmf and a backing off of the clamp to its free position.
:
:
:As the metal case relaxes, the capacitance then drops right on back down to 175 MMF.
:
:
:Maria has this capacitor final test procedure right on down to a fine art.
:
:
:
:Supplied are the RCA sets chassis photo, the pictorial layout of the set and finally a cut out of that portion of the schematic circuitry
:
:being involved.
:
:
:Just below you have the mark up of the “open” C35 cap (I wonder why?) as well as a nearby C38 companion of the same type,
:which I spotted.
:
:
:Just for circuit referencing, a soon to be mentioned different circuit companion of C37 is also marked up.
:
:
:In looking about the chassis you might also want to replace these old capacitors with modern day silver mica units in the
:
:C7 - - - C11 - - - C15 - - - C21 - - - C33 - - - C-46 and C48 positions.
:
:
:Circuit wise . . . your C38 cap is passing off some of the very highest AF frequencies from the plate of the AF amp to its cathode.
:
:
:Then there is a series pair of capacitors consisting of C37 and C35 that couples audio from the 6F5 to the 6F6.
:
:
:(On the two lower bands the S11 section of the band switch shorts across the C35 capacitor and lets the C37 perform the interstage coupling,
:
: when switched to the highest SW band the two caps are in series and effectively act as a .001 ufd cap.
:
:
:On the prior bands where most of the AM and voice communications are, the .01 was favoring the bass response more.
:
:
:On the higher SW band where code was more prevalent, the lessening of the bass response and enhancing of the treble sharpens the acuity
:
:of hearing weaker AM stations . . . . as well as code.
:
:
:Thassitt . . . .
:
:
:
:
:
:Techno Referencing:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:
:73's de Edd

:
:
:
:
:
:Cannibal Axiom #1:
:
:
:Eat the rich. The poor are tough and stringy.
:
:
:
:Pee Ess . . . . . afterthought . . .
:
:
:Our beloved pet canary . . . Tweetie Pie . . . has been missing . . . going on about 5 months . . . . . any chance that ?
:
:
:
:
:
:
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::Hi Gerardo
::
:: Believe what you found is a dual capacitor used for tone control?
::
:: You can get my email address by clicking on my name, above.
::
:: Your English is very good. Much better than my Spanish...
::
::Norm
::
::::Hi Gerardo
::::
:::: Pin #4 of 6F5 is plate. Pin #5 of 6F6 is grid #1. The unit you found may be a combination of 2 capacitors shown in the schematic? You don't want anything between these pins except capacitors.
::::
::::
::::http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel/835/M0015835.pdf
::::
::::Norm
::::
::::
:::::I found a strange component between the pin 4 in 6F5 and pin 5 on the 6F6. I thought of a capacitor in form but not a condenser. I opened it by removing the paper and a black paste crystallized and then I found a strange piece of metal that appears as a thermal switch that I measured with the tester and has no continuity between the ends. I do not know which component it is but I do not think it is a capacitor or a resistor ... anyone know what I mean? I can send a picture to someone kindly tell me that it is and what does this component?
:::::Thanks in advance!
:::::
::::
::::
:::Ok ... ! I do not want anything between these pins except capacitors as you say, but the component that I mentioned is there ... I can send you a picture? ... you telling me some email so I can forward it to you to observe it please?
:::Excuse my English. I live in the Canary Islands, Spain and I am very grateful to you for your reply.
:::
::
::
:
Very grateful for your extensive explanation and the time expended on it. I have clarified many things I don't know. Nice work Edd ... I'm just an amateur that has a lot to learn from people like you. God bless you!
Best regards !
Gerardo.
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